After installing 10.5.2 I'm noticing that if I click on Airport icon it indicates that it's scanning briefly and then stops. Is this a bug with 10.5.2? Unplugging my Airport Express briefly didn't seem to do anything.
Just wanted to say that after applying the "fix" I mentioned in the above post, I haven't had a single drop-out in two days. That is far longer than I've gone with any other solution posted here. Keeping my fingers crossed...
well, iTunes streaming over AP Express has been a problem for a long time - long before 10.5...
I'm not saying that 10.5 hasn't introduced other problems - I really cannot comment since I have held off from upgrading till others get the bugs out of it - there seemed to be plenty of reported problems and I'm fed up with being on the bleeding edge!
I don't think you can assume that the problem is in the Airport just because all the machines on the network lost their connections simultaneously - Microsoft had a bug in the Windows Mobile synchronisation code which took the entire network out at a stroke! I'm inclined to think that the problem is more likely in the network stack of the MacBook - I have an internet radio running against my Airport Extreme and it very rarely hits any throughput problems - never to the NAS on the local network. That is doing exactly the same thing as iTunes streaming and should be just as vulnerable to problems on the Airport...
Don't want to get your hopes up, but this might help, unfortunately for y'all I can't help but include the story of my morning. I got up this morning, and what do you know, the network is down where I live, macbook pro, ibooks, powerbooks, none of them had network access and some wouldn't pick the signal up at all. Being the IT guy here I couldn't help but go and starting puttering about. One thing leads to another and I finally get from a point of no network access, to the point that most of you are at with the airport scanning scanning, dropping out etc... So I find this message board and I read, and read, and read, but nothing, I tried a few things, improved, but never fixed the problem (the problem being no reliable network connection if I disconnect the ethernet cable from my computer).
So I got to thinking - as I sat here in disbelief that there seems to be no apple support responding to a thread this long - about a package I got yesterday from the states (I live in New Zealand for the time being). I had been waiting for this package for about two weeks, so I was very excited to unpack it and charge and install my new toys. Which I did, and then used the internet with no problems. One little device needed to charge over night, so I did, and this morning no internet. So I am sitting here thinking about it, thinking no that can't be it, and I keep reading, with no real fixes found, and I finally think, well what the heck, walk down to my room, unplug my new bluetooth headset for my phone/internet chatting turn it off, and then snap... just like that, no problems, disconnected the ethernet cable about 45 minutes ago, and not so much as a hick-up in the signal. I didn't have to turn of, reset, or restart anything. If this helps, I am sure you will forgive me taking so long to get around to it, if it doesn't I hope you aren't to upset.
Good Luck, and I hope I don't have to check back here because things start acting up again.
Just a little background info: I check for updates weekly, and I can't remember when I installed 10.5.2, but I can say that I have run for sometime with it without this problem, so maybe the bug was lying dormant for a while, and then popped up and died away, but at least for the time being, I cannot say that 10.5.02 effected anything.
In my attempts to fix things this morning, I also downloaded the firmware update 802.11n (fast ethernet) in attempts to fix it, but that was about an hour before I unplugged the bluetooth, so I am doubtful that this fixed it.
One of the other things I got yesterday was 2 GB 667 MHz DDR2 SDRAM from crucial.com, which I installed in the afternoon and everything was fine until this morning, so I am assuming this wasn't the cause either.
Sorry this was a first posting, and I didn't know that hitting reply would put the message after the comment instead of at the end of the thread. And I am not sure if frozo would be informed somebody had replied to him. so... frozo check you comment Posted: Mar 20, 2008 3:57 PM, in response to: thenorthman. I posted two below it.
Well, the honeymoon is over once again. Now I am getting connection drop-outs when the computer wakes from sleep. Consistently. This is so frustrating. Airport is completely useless at this point. Please fix it Apple!
From reading the forums here I've been led to believe the problem is with the Airport implementation in OS X (particularly 10.5.2), not the AX, AE or Time Capsule.
However, I've read a couple accounts of people with Bellsouth or Netgear routers who have no problems at all, even with Leopard.
I'd gladly pay $70 for another router if I thought it would solve the problem. Any thoughts on this?
You've followed this thread from beginning to the present, you should know its not the routers people are using!
Some people have netgear (me included), some have linksys, some have BT, some have airport. The problem exists with all of these, so its clearly not the router, or the hardware, but 10.5.2. Everyone is trying to think of reasons why this is happening, and now ideas such as this are appearing because people can't figure out the problem. Nobody had the problem with 10.5 or 10.5.1, but do with 10.5.2, so its this release!
At the moment, I am using my neighbours network, which still experiences drop-outs every 10 seconds or so, they have a router from sky. At the moment I cannot even connect to the my network. I doesn't seem my primary network, and times out if i type either of them in under 'join other network'.
Strangely, I can't use the internet even via Ethernet on my downstairs iMac. Which is odd!
I also cannot connect or use the internet with my iPhone or iPod Touch.
The even stranger thing is, when I boot into Windows XP via Boot Camp, everything is hunky dory. The internet works perfectly.
So, my conclusion is something Apple has done. 10.5.2 doesnt work, iPhone and iPod Touch won't connect. Hmm. The saga continues!
Yeah, you're right of course. I got my hopes up because someone on another forum said his setup is working fine with a Bellsouth router. I re-read some of the posts here, though, and realized that people with all kinds of 3rd party routers are having the problem.
I'm back to ethernet myself. The one laptop I have at home that needs wireless because it moves around a lot is using my neighbors network. For some unknown reason the connection doesn't drop out on the laptop as often as it does on my Mac Pro. If I need to print from the laptop, I hook it up to an ethernet cable I bought today that is connected to the 2nd ethernet port on my MP.
10.5.3 was just seeded to developers. Good news is that perhaps we'll see a fix. Bad news is we'll probably have to wait six weeks at least. Worst possible news is that 10.5.3 doesn't even address the issue. Lookout if that happens.
HI Guys since OSX 10.5.2 update, it is clear that the A/P for the 802.11n 5Ghz is very unstable.
I have two networks over 4 x base stations on same subnet and same SSID (AEBS 802.11n [5Ghz] + APBS 802.11G [2.5Ghz] joined over ethernet + 2 x APX 802.11g [2.4Ghz].
ON this MP, and two MBpros, the 5Ghz scanning form each of the AP cards on these hosts takes a long time to find the (+excess airport scanning+ and +connection timed out+ ) and connecting 5Ghz base station/network despite it being line of sight and 3m away!
Yet the same hots lock on solidly instantly to the 2.4 base stations.
SOmetimes using the airport utiility.app, the AEBS 802.11n is only found it seems though the 2.4Gz network because the base station for the head of the 2.4 is connected to the AEBS 802.11N vua an ethernet cable!
This all happens since we up graded to OSX 10.5.2.
When I restart on a spare disk on 10.5.1, the 5GHz connection on wireless is solid.
Ok, I've just scanned my network with AP Grapher. It's a graphing application that shows noise, signal, quality etc on the network.
See, the image below, its a screenshot of my connection. See all the dropouts? Constant up and downs?
Red is noise, Green is signal and blue is quality.
Let me know your thoughts!
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Whereas in comparison...
My other iMac downstairs is connected through Ethernet, but AP Grapher doesn't scan over Ethernet. I connected to the same network, whilst being connected through Ethernet. Notice the difference. No noise (because Ethernet) and no change in quality, but still shocking signal!
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