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I'm trying to revive a PowerBook 5300. The only thing it needs is a OS installed properly. Anyway, I have only a PC and I don't anybody with a Mac system (with a floppy drive). I found a link in this forum ( here) where someone was able to boot it from a floppy created by a software called MACDISK.EXE. When I accessed the thread this link it was dead, but today I could find it alive back so I downloaded it to my PC, formatted a floppy and runned the MACDISK but always when I put this MACDISK formatted floppy in the PowerBook, It always spit the floppy back. I already cleaned the PRAM to try to solve this issue but it also does't work. Maybe the floppy drive is dead? Is there any mean to access the hardware info in the PowerBook (like the BIOS settings in the PC)?

PowerBook 5300, Mac OS 8.6 or Earlier

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Feb 17, 2008 1:56 PM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Read all of the reply answers to the posts you refer to. here's one reply:

+The MACDISK.EXE diskette you created does not contain a System File and will not boot your Mac. It has the important "missing link" Stuffit Expander, which is needed to de-compress any other Mac files you download from the Internet.+

+A diskette inserted at startup has top priority, so if it does not contain a bootable system, it will be ejected.+

You need a CD/floppy copy of the OS you intend to install.

 Cheers, Tom 😉

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Feb 17, 2008 4:57 PM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Gabriel,

Yes, as Tom (and Grant Bennet-Alder, earlier) indicated, the MACDISK.EXE file is only supplying you with a fully functional Mac version of StuffIt Expander directly on the PC (to be used for decoding and decompressing on the PowerBook 5300 once it has an operating system). In order to get this to work, it is important to freshly format (the full option) a 1.44 MB PC diskette before you make the floppy. The resulting floppy is not a startup disk.

And, as has been mentioned, (unless your PowerBook 5300 is able to boot to the Desktop on its own, from the internal hard drive) you do need a startup floppy. Have another look at my reply to you under the referred link. It should be possible to create a bootable floppy on a PC from the AtEase-IDE Utility Disk disk image. In that case, as an exception, you will have to use StuffIt (Aladdin) Expander for Windows (e.g. version 2.0) on the PC to decode and decompress the downloaded file. When the disk image is visible, an appropriate disk image utility for Windows should be able to create a correctly sector-copied floppy disk. Once again, use a freshly formatted PC diskette to begin with.

Jan

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Feb 17, 2008 1:56 PM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Read all of the reply answers to the posts you refer to. here's one reply:

+The MACDISK.EXE diskette you created does not contain a System File and will not boot your Mac. It has the important "missing link" Stuffit Expander, which is needed to de-compress any other Mac files you download from the Internet.+

+A diskette inserted at startup has top priority, so if it does not contain a bootable system, it will be ejected.+

You need a CD/floppy copy of the OS you intend to install.

 Cheers, Tom 😉

Feb 17, 2008 1:56 PM

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Feb 17, 2008 4:57 PM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Gabriel,

Yes, as Tom (and Grant Bennet-Alder, earlier) indicated, the MACDISK.EXE file is only supplying you with a fully functional Mac version of StuffIt Expander directly on the PC (to be used for decoding and decompressing on the PowerBook 5300 once it has an operating system). In order to get this to work, it is important to freshly format (the full option) a 1.44 MB PC diskette before you make the floppy. The resulting floppy is not a startup disk.

And, as has been mentioned, (unless your PowerBook 5300 is able to boot to the Desktop on its own, from the internal hard drive) you do need a startup floppy. Have another look at my reply to you under the referred link. It should be possible to create a bootable floppy on a PC from the AtEase-IDE Utility Disk disk image. In that case, as an exception, you will have to use StuffIt (Aladdin) Expander for Windows (e.g. version 2.0) on the PC to decode and decompress the downloaded file. When the disk image is visible, an appropriate disk image utility for Windows should be able to create a correctly sector-copied floppy disk. Once again, use a freshly formatted PC diskette to begin with.

Jan

Feb 17, 2008 4:57 PM

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Feb 20, 2008 3:11 AM in response to Jan Hedlund In response to Jan Hedlund

Hi

Thanks for the patience, I really didn´t read carefully the thread. And worse, I was having problems with the RawWrite for Windows, so any image I wrote to the diskettes weren´t accepted and ejected by the Mac. Since I used the WinImage, this didn´t happenned and I could boot the Mac right using the AtEase-IDE Utility Disk. Anyway, after click in the drive setup, selecting the drive, marking the "Zero all data" and clicking in Initialize, the Drive Setup answers: "Initialization failed". Maybe it´s a dead disk because I can´t hear it spinning or it´s really quiet 🙂 . I´ll look for a new hard disk for a reasonable price on eBay.

Again, many thanks to the attention

Gabriel

Feb 20, 2008 3:11 AM

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Feb 20, 2008 1:11 PM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Drive Setup substitutes spare blocks for ones that cannot hold the pattern of zeroes. Sometimes the replacements have gone bad, too and initialization fails.

Run the Write Zeroes one more time. If it does not work, then you need a new drive.

Feb 20, 2008 1:11 PM

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Feb 20, 2008 1:49 PM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Hi Gabriel,

Good work.

There should be a sound of a spinning hard disk (but a hard drive can be quite quiet, too).

Also, remember that the Drive Setup version on that floppy is an early one. It is possible to download Drive Setup 1.7.3 and (using a special technique) modify a tools disk; but it will be very difficult without a functioning hard drive in the Mac.

One more thing. The PowerBook 5300 is equipped with two PC Card slots for 16-bit PCMCIA. It is a very good idea to buy an inexpensive PC Card adapter (such as the one here) for CompactFlash memory cards. A CompactFlash card will appear to the PowerBook as an extra hard drive. The CF cards are normally PC-formatted but can be reformatted to Mac.

Jan

Feb 20, 2008 1:49 PM

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Feb 21, 2008 4:58 AM in response to Jan Hedlund In response to Jan Hedlund

Addendum

Just to rule out a rather unlikely effect in this very case, try resetting the PRAM and the Power Manager (see KB article # 58416).

BTW, if you need a user's guide for the PB 5300, it can be found here.

Jan

Feb 21, 2008 4:58 AM

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Feb 21, 2008 6:49 AM in response to Jan Hedlund In response to Jan Hedlund

Thank you again

I´ve had already zapped the PRAM (since I read this could be the problem but that didn´t work 😟 ). I´ll purcharse the PC Card that you suggested because it will be very more cheap and useful than a expensive new hard drive. I won´t use the 486 drive because it has a lot of bad blocks and also needs replacing and belongs to a notebook that I also want to keep working. I though in purcharse a new hard drive but the smaller ones are of 40Gb and might be not recongnised since the notebook has a ATA-2 interface, acordding to the PowerBook 5300 document you gave me. If I put it back working I´ll post photos of it 🙂 .

Gabriel

Feb 21, 2008 6:49 AM

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Feb 22, 2008 12:16 PM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Hi,

A 40 GB hard disk drive capacity should not be a problem per se (see KB article # 11333 about maximum volume size). However, according to Technical Note TN1116, it will not be possible to use SCSI disk mode (i.e. HD Target Mode).

Jan

Feb 22, 2008 12:16 PM

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Apr 24, 2008 8:31 AM in response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira In response to Gabriel Diego Teixeira

Hi...I'm trying to wipe the start up hard drive so that I can give this computer to someone but cannot seem to find instructions on how to do this...the "?" says to consult the manual, which, of course, I no longer have :-/
Can someone help me do this? Thanks.

Apr 24, 2008 8:31 AM

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Apr 24, 2008 9:48 AM in response to kamicos In response to kamicos

See my reply under your PowerBook 5300cs Question topic.

See also the PowerBook 5300cs OS install topic (link above). There you will find additional information about how to create a bootable floppy using a PC.

Of course, if the PowerBook is fully functional at the moment, you can use it to create a Disk Tools PPC floppy.

A free System 7.5.3 is available for download from Apple (e.g. the North American English version here).

Jan

Apr 24, 2008 9:48 AM

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