14 Replies Latest reply: Mar 6, 2008 8:18 AM by ali brown
Zintain Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
I just got a used iMac G4 from a friend. I want to do some stuff on it, but for some reason there are a lot of things that don't work with 10.1.5. I tried to download Firefox but when I go to the page it says that it can't run on OS 9 which I don't have, but for reason the computer seems to think that is what I have as it will not let me get Firefox. The Internet Explorer for MAC ***** and doesn't do anything that I want to do online. I want to be able to go to Yahoo or things even and that doesn't work becuase it says I need to update my browser. Can anyone tell me how I can update OS X or update my browser at least so I can do what I want to do online. I can't run DVD's on this computer as I don't think it has a DVD ROM in it. Please help, what are my options?

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  • Niel Level 10 Level 10 (279,155 points)
    Purchase a retail Mac OS X 10.2 or 10.3 package and install it; both of these come on CDs. Mac OS X 10.4 can come on either CDs or a DVD.

    (30039)
  • Jeff Kelleher Level 4 Level 4 (3,015 points)
    You're going to struggle with 10.1. My recommendation would be to get 10.4
    http://store.apple.com/1-800-MY-APPLE/WebObjects/AppleStore?spart=MA453Z%2FA

    and upgrade your memory to at least 512 MB. 1GB would be better.

    If you can find a legitimate copy of 10.3 somewhere (be careful on ebay) you could go with that, but a lot of new software (iTunes, for example) requires 10.4 or later. Since you also have a G4 processor running around 700MHz to 1 GHz, 10.3 may be a little snappier, but 10.4 would be fine for most stuff, especially if you go with 1GB of memory.

    One last point - 10.5 is the newest OS - that may be a little slow on your G4.
  • Zintain Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    Where can I find a retail version? There really aren't any stores around here that sell stuff for mac's in my area. I would love to be able to purchase a retail version but like I said, I don't know if I'll be able to get it!
  • ali brown Level 7 Level 7 (26,465 points)
    Zintain,

    Exactly which model iMac G4 is it?
    What is the Processor speed?
    What size is the Hard Drive, and how much space is available?
    How much RAM is installed, and is it original or added?

    Mac OS X Versions 10.1, 10.2, 10.3, 10.4, and 10.5, are complete system upgrades that must be purchased.

    Once an OS has been installed, the point upgrades, such as 10.1.x to 10.1.5 (Final) 10.2.x to 10.2.8 (Final), 10.3.x to 10.3.9 (Final), 10.4.x to 10.4.11 (Pending), and 10.5.x to 10.5.1 (Pending), can be downloaded for free.

    Tiger is available for purchase at The Apple Store (U.S.).

    If your Mac meets the Leopard System Requirements, the Full Retail Version, of the Leopard Install DVD, can also be purchased at The Apple Store (U.S.).

    Jaguar and Panther, are no longer available directly from the Apple Online Store, as Leopard 10.5.x, is the most up to date OS.

    If you know what to look for, Jaguar Full Retail CDs, a Full Retail Version, of the Panther Install CDs, a Full Retail Version, of the Tiger Install DVD, or a Full Retail Version, of the Leopard DVD, can be purchased, sometimes less expensively, at some online Apple retailers, Amazon, eBay, FastMac, HardCore Mac, AllMac, etc.

    This is the correct one Mac OS X 10.4.6 Tiger, (DVD) Retail, selling for $159.95, at FastMac.
    And at HardCore Mac, selling for $199.99.
    Notice that both, are more expensive, than, the The Apple Store (U.S.), selling for $129.00.

    Be sure not to purchase grey, upgrade or machine specific CDs or DVDs.
    Jaguar and Panther are only on CDs, not DVDs.
    Tiger and Leopard are on DVD.
    The discs should look exactly like the images in the above links, and not say Upgrade, CPU Drop-in DVD, or "This software is part of a hardware bundle purchase - not to be sold seperately." on them.

    Additional info in these links.
    Using OS X Install CDs/DVDs On Multiple Macs
    What's A Computer Specific Mac OS X Release
    Software Update, Upgrade: What's The Difference?

    Caveat Emptor!
    If any are presently available, examine these items very carefully, and if in doubt, ask questions of the seller before purchase!
    Jaguar On eBay None currently available.
    Panther On eBay
    Tiger On eBay
    Leopard On eBay

    Once Jaguar 10.2.x is installed, you can use the 10.2.8 Combo Update, or if Panther 10.3.x is installed, you can use the 10.3.9 Combo Update, to upgrade to the final version of either OS.

    If your Mac meets the Tiger System Requirements, you could also consider installing that, and then use the PPC 10.4.11 Combo Update, to upgrade to the current version.

    If Leopard 10.5.x is installed, use the Mac OS X 10.5.2 Combo Update.

    Jaguar System Requirements
    -Power Mac G3 or G4, iMac, eMac, PowerBook G3 or G4, or iBook computer
    -128MB of physical RAM
    -Supports all video cards shipped by Apple on Mac OS X-compatible systems. Quartz Extreme functionality is supported by the following video cards: NVIDIA GeForce2 MX, GeForce3, GeForce4 MX, or GeForce4 Ti; Any AGP-based ATI RADEON card. A minimum of 16MB VRAM is required.
    -QuickTime Pro functionality requires a QuickTime 6 Pro key. The QuickTime 5 Pro key will not work after this software is installed.
    -DVD Player requires a DVD-ROM equipped Macintosh with built-in FireWire.

    Review these KB Articles, for the Panther System Requirements, and the Additional Panther System Requirements.

    The posted RAM System Requirement, for all versions of OS X, is the bare minimum.
    For optimum performance, more is recommended.

    Additionally, Tiger 10.4.x ships on a DVD, so if your Mac doesn’t have a built-in DVD-ROM player, you will have to use an alternative method of installation.
    Info here Installing Tiger Using Firewire Target Disk Mode.
    And here Installing Tiger Without A DVD Drive.

    The Tiger Media Exchange Program, referred to, is no longer available.
    There is also a version available on CDs, at FastMac, for $179.99.

    Shop Carefully, Examine All Documentation, And I Wish You Success!

    ali b
  • Zintain Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    I don't know the exact model G4 I just know that it is a sphere looking one with a pole that leads to the monitor. It has 512 MB RAM and 40 GB HDD I don't know if the RAM is the original or added. I just got the computer today and don't know a whole lot about mac's
  • Niel Level 10 Level 10 (279,155 points)
    Choose About this Mac from the Apple menu and click on More Info to see your computer's specifications. You have enough RAM to use Mac OS X 10.4.

    (30053)
  • Zintain Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    After clicking about this MAC it shows me that it is PowerPC G4 for the processor, but doesn't allow me to get more info. It is Mac OS X 10.1.5. Sorry I didn't notice that it didn't get the period on the title when I posted it. Do you know of a setting that maybe I changed that now puts lines in all windows mixed with the background color of the windows?

    Message was edited by: Zintain
  • Zintain Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    Niel wrote:> Choose About this Mac from the Apple menu and click on More Info to see your computer's specifications. You have enough RAM to use Mac OS X 10.4.> > (30053)I did find an area that gives me a little more detail abou it.  The processor is 700 MHz, if there is anything else that you need to know, ask, and I'll tell
  • ali brown Level 7 Level 7 (26,465 points)
    Zintain,

    Using a Full Retail Version of install discs, as I described in My Previous Reply, that model of iMac G4, can be upgraded as high as Tiger 10.4.x.
    You can upgrade directly to Tiger 10.4.x.

    If you ever need to reinstall the original bundled software, you need the original system restore discs.

    If your friend did not, also give you the original system discs, Mac OS 9.2.2 & OS X Puma 10.1.2, then you will also need to call Apple Customer Service, as I suggested in This Reply.

    ali b
  • Zintain Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    So I can't just go buy a full version of the OS and install it on this computer? I still need to have the original CD's? I did not get any CD's with this computer, that is another reason I'm trying to get CD's so that if I ever need to re-install the OS, then I'll be able to. I'm not worried about getting software that came with the computer as it didn't come with any....It doesn't have the original software installed on it either so I can't even have it boot in OS 9 because it isn't installed and I don't have the CD's for it. If I have to have those CD's in order to update, I have no idea how to get this thing updated because I don't have those CD's.
  • ali brown Level 7 Level 7 (26,465 points)
    Zintain,

    "So I can't just go buy a full version of the OS and install it on this computer?"
    Sure you can!

    "I still need to have the original CD's?"
    You don't have to, but the Full Retail Version of an OS X, will not necessarily, have all of the applications, that were originally bundled.

    "If I have to have those CD's in order to update, I have no idea how to get this thing updated because I don't have those CD's."
    You don't have to have them, but if you want them, you can call Apple Customer Service, and order a set, as I Previously Suggested HERE.

    ali b
  • Zintain Level 1 Level 1 (15 points)
    Ok, thanks for the help. It really don't have any software that was bundled with it. I think someone along the way put this version of OS X on it and didn't put anything on it. It doesn't even have the OS 9 on it and every time you try to access anything with it, it doesn't work tells that it doesn't have it. I'll check with my local computer store, they do mac stuff there and I was talking with them earlier, and they did say that their mac specialist is able to order the older versions and he will be able to get it for me. I'll check with him and get them what they need....Get the install done and enjoy the computer! Thanks for all your help
  • chefdv1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    G3 wont reboot. reset pram, tried to boot from cd tech tools nothing. happy face to question mark to gray screen to a terminal screen with this
    /etc/master.passwd: Not a directory
    -sh-2.05b#
  • ali brown Level 7 Level 7 (26,465 points)
    Zintain,

    You're welcome.

    ali b