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Q: Telling Wallstreets Apart

I have 3 Wallstreets marked 233 MHZ on the bottom, no processor, no HD, no KB. How would I tell if they are the first batch (Wallstreet) or the second batch (PDQ)? If I put in a processor that is the wrong kind, what will happen? Sparks/FZZZT? Smoke? Nothing? thanks.

Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Posted on Mar 18, 2008 7:36 PM

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  • by Limnos,

    Limnos Limnos Mar 19, 2008 10:09 AM in response to Sludgedragon
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    Mar 19, 2008 10:09 AM in response to Sludgedragon
    Check [this website|http://www.everymac.com/systems/apple/powerbook_g3/index-powerbook-g3.h tml] for specs on the different powerbooks. You could probably identify them from the model numbers and manufacture dates.
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Mar 19, 2008 5:57 PM in response to Sludgedragon
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    Mar 19, 2008 5:57 PM in response to Sludgedragon
    Prop open the PCMCIA slot doors and look down with a flashlight at the portion of the motherboard visible there. Copy down the crazy serial number from the motherboard. There is a key in the service manual that tells what series and what is compatible with what.
  • by Sludgedragon,

    Sludgedragon Sludgedragon Mar 21, 2008 8:53 PM in response to Limnos
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    Mar 21, 2008 8:53 PM in response to Limnos
    One of them has a 512k backside cache according to the bottom of the case, which makes it a PDQ. The others don't have any mention of it, which should make them the original Wallstreet. I will put my donor 266 processor into the PDQ and see what happens.
  • by Texas Mac Man,

    Texas Mac Man Texas Mac Man Mar 22, 2008 5:36 AM in response to Sludgedragon
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    Mar 22, 2008 5:36 AM in response to Sludgedragon
    Input each Mac's serial number at this site & it will tell you.
    http://www.chipmunk.nl/klantenservice/applemodel.html

     Cheers, Tom
  • by Sludgedragon,

    Sludgedragon Sludgedragon Mar 23, 2008 1:06 PM in response to Texas Mac Man
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    Mar 23, 2008 1:06 PM in response to Texas Mac Man
    That is a nifty cool website, thanks.

    It dawned on me (duh) that the 12" screens on two of them would have told me they were the first Wallstreet vintage, which they are. The third one with the 14" screen turns out to be the PDQ, and when I put in a 266 daughtercard and a HD, it behaved. All three of them like to turn their fans on as soon as they are plugged in. Unplugging and replugging made the PDQ work, once. Trying again, not so good. I'll lay them aside for a while as I have too many projects right now!
  • by Niteshooter,

    Niteshooter Niteshooter Jun 13, 2008 5:36 PM in response to Sludgedragon
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    Jun 13, 2008 5:36 PM in response to Sludgedragon
    Sludgedragon wrote:
    That is a nifty cool website, thanks.

    It dawned on me (duh) that the 12" screens on two of them would have told me they were the first Wallstreet vintage, which they are. The third one with the 14" screen turns out to be the PDQ, and when I put in a 266 daughtercard and a HD, it behaved. All three of them like to turn their fans on as soon as they are plugged in. Unplugging and replugging made the PDQ work, once. Trying again, not so good. I'll lay them aside for a while as I have too many projects right now!


    The fan coming on is an indication of dead Pram batteries. You might be able to recharge them or not.

    On the back of the Wallstreet is the keyboard sequence for a reset, try that on the dead one as that usually brings them back.

    If you get GLOD, green light of death on a Wallstreet it tends to be a bad cpu. What happens is the power light comes on and stays on along with the fan. Only way out is to do the keyboard reset.

    Kevin
  • by Grant Bennet-Alder,

    Grant Bennet-Alder Grant Bennet-Alder Jun 13, 2008 5:40 PM in response to Sludgedragon
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    Jun 13, 2008 5:40 PM in response to Sludgedragon
    Set them aside on the charger, in hopes of recharging the PRAM battery, but NiteShooter is right, conventional wisdom says it is most likely the processor board.
  • by jpl,

    jpl jpl Jun 13, 2008 7:36 PM in response to Sludgedragon
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    Jun 13, 2008 7:36 PM in response to Sludgedragon
    sludgedragon,

    Apple made two 12.1" models and this may help in identifying which you have:

    1. First release of the WS offered the 12.1" passive-matrix, dual-scan STN display; the button used for volume on all other models is used for contrast control; there is no S-Video Out port next to the SCSI port.

    2. Second release of the WS dropped the 12.1" STN and offered a limited number of 12.1" active-matrix TFT displays and had the all the features of the other models.

    The 12.1" STN is a very poor display while the TFT displays are just as nice as the 14.1" TFTs.

    If you have a first release Wallstreet, it supports all CPUs offered on the Wallstreet since that logic board supports both 66MHz and 83MHz CPUs.

    If you have a second release Wallstreet, it only supports these 66MHz processors:

    233MHz/0 L2 cache
    233MHz/512 L2 cache
    266MHz
    300Mhz