Samsung LE40M86BD LCD HDTV problem

I recently bought a Mac Mini 1.83 GHz (Intel GMA 950 graphics) to use on my Samsung TV. A Windows XP PC with a Ati Radeon 9800 Pro has been used on it until now, connected with a DVI to HDMI cable. 720p works perfectly with this setup (with full 1:1 pixel mapping), but 1080p has never been tested due to the Radeon refusing to output a 1080p mode that the TV would accept (after many hours of PowerStrip tweaking I gave up and settled on 720p).

The Mac Mini on the other hand works with 1080p, but has display problems with both 720p and 1080p. I do not get 1:1 pixel mapping, evidenced by small black borders at the top, left and right side. Additionally there is a 1 pixel high horizontal green line near the top of the screen.

This is typical of timing problems, and changing the timings with SwitchResX confirms this since the green line can be changed to a vertical line on the left side with small adjustments.

Now for the interesting part. Using Monitor Asset Manager on Windows I dumped all information reported by the TV. Then I used PowerStrip to check the timings actually used for the 720p mode, and they matched what was reported as recommended settings for 720p by the Samsung TV.

Next I connected the Mac Mini to the TV and used SwitchResX to create a custom resolution with the exact same settings. After rebooting the result was the same. No 1:1 mapping, and the green line was still present.

I also tested VGA, which works perfectly in 1080p. I couldn't test 720p since the TV wouldn't accept that display mode over VGA (the Samsung specification claims it is unsupported over VGA but not over HDMI). Additionally the Mini was connected to a Samsung SyncMaster 172T LCD monitor to verify that the DVI port wasn't broken, and it worked fine.

Any comments on this? Is this a driver bug?

Message was edited by: Bjorn Ruud

Mac Mini (Intel 1.83 GHz), Mac OS X (10.5.2)

Posted on Mar 19, 2008 8:57 AM

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Mar 22, 2008 10:04 AM in response to BSteely

Here is the information from the TV. The recommended timings for 1280x720 @ 60 Hz are the ones used (on Windows).

Monitor
Windows description......... Plug and Play Monitor
Manufacturer description.... SAMSUNG
Manufacturer................ Samsung
Plug and Play ID............ SAM029F
Serial number............... n/a
EDID data source............ I2C bus (real-time)
Manufacture date............ 2006, ISO week 45
EDID revision............... 1.3
Display type and signal..... Digital
Sync input support.......... n/a
Screen size................. 160 x 90 mm (~8")
Power management............ n/a

Color characteristics
Display gamma............... 2.20
Red chromaticity............ Rx 0.650 - Ry 0.330
Green chromaticity.......... Gx 0.300 - Gy 0.600
Blue chromaticity........... Bx 0.150 - By 0.080
White point (default)....... Wx 0.313 - Wy 0.329

Timing characteristics
VESA GTF support............ Not supported
Horizontal scan range....... 15-70kHz
Vertical scan range......... 49-71Hz
Video bandwidth............. 230MHz
Extension blocks............ 1
Timing recommendation #1.... 1920x1080 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1920x1080" 148.500 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1089 1125 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #2.... 1280x720 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #3.... 1280x720 at 50Hz
Modeline................ "1280x720" 74.250 1280 1720 1760 1980 720 741 746 750 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #4.... 1920x540 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "1920x540" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 540 542 547 562 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #5.... 1920x1080 at 30Hz
Modeline................ "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2008 2052 2200 1080 1084 1094 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #6.... 1920x540 at 50Hz
Modeline................ "1920x540" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640 540 574 579 562 +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #7.... 1920x1080 at 25Hz
Modeline................ "1920x1080" 74.250 1920 2448 2492 2640 1080 1148 1158 1124 interlace +hsync +vsync
Timing recommendation #8.... 720x480 at 60Hz
Modeline................ "720x480" 27.000 720 736 798 858 480 489 495 525 -hsync -vsync

Standard timings supported
640 x 480 at 60Hz - IBM VGA
720 x 400 at 70Hz - IBM VGA
720 x 480 at 60Hz - Samsung
800 x 600 at 60Hz - VESA
1024 x 768 at 60Hz - VESA
1280 x 720 at 50Hz - Samsung
1280 x 720 at 60Hz - Samsung
1280 x 1024 at 60Hz - VESA
1920 x 540 at 50Hz - Samsung
1920 x 540 at 60Hz - Samsung
1920 x 1080 at 25Hz - Samsung
1920 x 1080 at 30Hz - Samsung
1920 x 1080 at 60Hz - Samsung

Raw EDID base
00: 00 FF FF FF FF FF FF 00 4C 2D 9F 02 00 00 00 00
10: 2D 10 01 03 80 10 09 78 0A AE A5 A6 54 4C 99 26
20: 14 50 54 A1 08 00 81 80 01 01 01 01 01 01 01 01
30: 01 01 01 01 01 01 02 3A 80 18 71 38 2D 40 58 2C
40: 45 00 A0 5A 00 00 00 1E 01 1D 00 72 51 D0 1E 20
50: 6E 28 55 00 A0 5A 00 00 00 1E 00 00 00 FC 00 53
60: 41 4D 53 55 4E 47 0A 20 20 20 20 20 00 00 00 FD
70: 00 31 47 0F 46 17 00 0A 20 20 20 20 20 20 01 9B

Raw EDID extension (CEA-861)
00: 02 03 27 F1 4B 90 1F 04 13 05 14 03 12 20 21 22
10: 23 09 07 07 83 01 00 00 E2 00 0F E3 05 03 01 67
20: 03 0C 00 20 00 B8 2D 01 1D 00 BC 52 D0 1E 20 B8
30: 28 55 40 A0 5A 00 00 00 1E 01 1D 80 18 71 1C 16
40: 20 58 2C 25 00 A0 5A 00 00 00 9E 01 1D 80 D0 72
50: 1C 16 20 10 2C 25 80 A0 5A 00 00 00 9E 8C 0A D0
60: 8A 20 E0 2D 10 10 3E 96 00 A0 5A 00 00 00 18 00
70: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 DC

EIA/CEA-861 Information
Revision number............. 3
DTV underscan............... Supported
Basic audio................. Supported
YCbCr 4:4:4................. Supported
YCbCr 4:2:2................. Supported
Native formats supported.... 1
DTV formats supported....... 11

CE standard timings supported
1920 x 1080p at 59.94/60Hz (16:9) - HDTV (Native)
1920 x 1080p at 50Hz (16:9) - HDTV
1280 x 720p at 59.94/60Hz (16:9) - HDTV
1280 x 720p at 50Hz (16:9) - HDTV
1920 x 1080i at 59.94/60Hz (16:9) - HDTV
1920 x 1080i at 50Hz (16:9) - HDTV
720 x 480p at 59.94/60Hz (16:9) - EDTV
720 x 576p at 50Hz (16:9) - EDTV
1920 x 1080p at 23.97/24Hz (16:9) - HDTV
1920 x 1080p at 25Hz (16:9) - HDTV
1920 x 1080p at 28.97/30Hz (16:9) - HDTV

Display adapter
Adapter description......... RADEON 9800 PRO
Adapter device ID........... 0x4E481002
Display settings............ 1280x720, 32bpp

User/computer information
Windows version ............ Windows XP
Windows build .............. 5.01.2600 Service Pack 2

Mar 24, 2008 5:24 AM in response to BSteely

"1280x720" 74.250 1280 1390 1430 1650 720 725 730 750 +hsync +vsync

The modeline structure is this:
<label> <pixel clock rate> <x resolution (4 values)> <y resolution (4 values)> <sync polarity (2 values)>

The resolution values are generated by adding to the previous value (starting with the base), so the modeline above is interpreted like this:

Label: "1280x720"
Pixel clock: 74.250 MHz
Horizontal pixels: 1280
Horizontal front porch: 110 (1390-1280)
Horizontal sync width: 40 (1430-1390)
Horizontal back porch: 220 (1650-1430)
Vertical lines: 720
Vertical front porch: 5 (725-720)
Vertical sync width: 5 (730-725)
Vertical back porch: 20 (750-730)

More information can be found here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Modeline

Mar 24, 2008 11:49 PM in response to Bjorn Ruud

OK, thanks. I don't see anything wrong with those numbers especially. The proportions seem slightly strange between front and rear porch values for horizontal.

In SwitchRes X, you can have it build a timing based on industry standard calculated values. If you make a custom timing and select "Use simplified settings:" and then set the associated pop-up to CVT, or CVT-RB (for reduced blanking), all you need fill in is the horizontal and vertical active (1280 and 720) and then the vertical scan (60) and all the other numbers are calculated. You could try that and see if you get a better result. Good luck.

Jun 19, 2008 4:12 PM in response to Bjorn Ruud

I have a samsun 750 (46" 1920x1080p, etc). I have the standard dvi cable going into the tv -- but I can't get any resolutions on the mac (coming off a 15" syncmaster) or by using switchresX -- such that the 750 will use the dvi (hdmi2?) input. Every single resolution gives me "mode not supported"

frustrating.

Does anyone have any suggestions on what values to set? I put in some values from the samsung tv manual (page 45/46) -- but then those don't show up as options on switchresX!

Thanks.

Scott

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