Importing Appleworks Database

Newbie to IWork 08. Numbers or Pages will not import my Appleworks Database documents? Some of these files are huge, 25 columns, 25,000 lines deep dating to the dawn of Apple computers. What do I do.

Mac Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.2)

Posted on Mar 23, 2008 5:38 PM

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Mar 23, 2008 6:28 PM in response to WWJD

Appreciate the quick reply WWJD. Appleworks does not allow saving in any format except ASCII, unless you wish to export as something even more ancient than Appleworks like Claris Works. As I recall, I created these database files in Filemaker long before Pro, then we got Works, then AppleWorks. It's been so many years and so many machines I'm a bit fuzzy.

I purchased IWorks with the apparently misguided understanding it was the "upgrade and replacement" for Appleworks, which I believe dates from OS 8 or earlier. IWorks is indeed powerful compared to Appleworks, but the ability for IWorks to update or import ALL Appleworks files seems like a no-brainer to me.

Though we never pretended Appleworks was "high end" in any features, it was the generic workhorse of Apple applications. It it's not like the Apple engineers to leave us hanging like this, with no alternatives other than purchasing non-Apple software to translate Apple files.

Fortunately, Appleworks seems to run fine on my new 8-core Mac Pro, so all is not lost. Come on Apple, how bout complete file translation from Appleworks to IWorks in the next update?

Mar 23, 2008 6:50 PM in response to Norman Wallen

Yvan has many scripts for converting documents. I tried a simple Appleworks DB and saved as ASCII. Added a csv suffix and imported into Numbers but the fields were all in one record (row). There are work-arounds such as importing into a word processor then removing extra spaces and making a comma delimited file but these may be too cumbersome. I have Filemake Pro v7 and it will import Appleworks DB files (actually imports Appleworks ASCII created files.) If you'd like, I can convert the file for you.

Regards,

Mar 23, 2008 7:24 PM in response to WWJD

Very generous offer to translate my 5-meg database documents WWJD! With 25 columns and over 25,000 lines, one missed comma or character could render the entire file useless gibberish. These huge files have been very subject to corruption and failure over the years. Though I'm avid about my backups, it isn't unusual for me to be forced to revert, and renter many lines of data between saves.

Generally the data in these files isn't particularly "sensitive," though in some critical cases it simply can't be shared under any circumstances. I'm sure you understand.

I'm a staunch believer in "if it ain't broke, don't fix it." Since Appleworks still runs on my Mac Pro under Safari, there's little advantage in upgrading these files to IWorks. I can survive for quite some time in the hopes the Apple engineers will hear our pleas for IWorks to translate Appleworks database, drawing, and painting documents.

I'm not a user of Appleworks Presentation, but if IWorks can't update those files either, then the IWorks engineers should truly hang their heads in shame...

In searching the various discussion threads, there are viable workarounds to at least partially enable the upgrading of some Appleworks files to IWorks through existing Apple avenues. It's truly unfortunate we have no choice but to revert to third party software options to upgrade Apple files.

Apple, hear our pleas!

WWJD, you've been great! I'd like to mark this question "resolved," and close the thread, but I'll allow it to hang open a while longer in the hope it attracts a bit more attention.

Mar 23, 2008 7:28 PM in response to Norman Wallen

Have just finished converting my databases from Claris works 4.0 (originally started on Appleworks 1.0). My Mac was an LCIII and I exported the files in excel 4.0. When I loaded them on the iMac, excel could save them as .csv files. They came out as Numbers spreadsheets when imported into iworks. I've since moved them to Bento and am working with them. A number of them are 30 fields and a few hundred records. Hope this helps.

Mar 23, 2008 7:44 PM in response to wolfhill

This is interesting wolfhill! I have Excel, but I'm a bit confused. How did you get your files from Appleworks into Excel? My Excel OSX version won't read anything non-Microsoft. My Appleworks won't save in any other formats except ASCII and Claris Works. I see no options to create csv files.

My original files were created on my 16 MHZ FatMac (Yep, I'm a dinosaur) and have been upgraded through IIci and G3 to my current Mac Pro Leopard.

Are you saying I need slide over to the dark side, and fire up my PC in Windows Excel to enable the translation to IWorks?

Mar 23, 2008 8:08 PM in response to Norman Wallen

My original databases on herbs and other plants was created on a II+ with filemaker, transferred to Appleworks 2.0 on a GS, moved to Clarisworks on the LCIII. I had to use excel as the LCIII has a read only external CD and I borrowed my husband's PC to get them from a floppy to a flash drive. I saved the Claris works files as Excel or DBF on the disc and when I loaded them on the desktop of my new iMac from the flashdrive, I added the appropriate suffixes so that excel would accept them. I looked at them on the excel spreadsheet and then saved them as .csv files. It was tedious but better than reentry.

Mar 23, 2008 8:12 PM in response to Norman Wallen

Although the Appleworks is a "flat file" database, it can contain more records than Numbers. Custom layouts and reports are two features of the database that Numbers lacks. Numbers in its current offering would also be slow with large files (I have databases that contain 100,000's of records) and Numbers is limited to ~65,000 records. A spreadsheet can be used as a database in many ways but the entire file must reside in RAM.

Spreadsheets are more widely used by the target user for iWork(?) Maybe a database program will come in the future. Filemaker is owned by Apple though...

Regards,

Mar 23, 2008 8:21 PM in response to wolfhill

Yow wolfhill, that sounds mind-numbing. I have files that date from my Apple+ too! We are two dinosaurs!

If I understand you correctly, key to getting your files to translate was Claris Works being able to save them as DBF or Excel. I can't run Claris Works anymore, so I may be doomed. I'm right back to purchasing Filemaker Pro, which is where this thread started.

Am I missing something else here?

Mar 23, 2008 9:06 PM in response to Norman Wallen

I've moved several AppleWorks databases to Numbers. As has been stated, much of the functionality of the database is lost, but I at least have the data in a more "modern" format. But there is no need to save as an AppleWorks 6 spreadsheet (which Number can import/open) or as Excel & convert to .csv. Open your database in AppleWorks, view as a List (although this isn't absolutely necessary), select all, copy then paste into a Numbers table. If you've done any formatting of the text in AppleWorks such as bold, italic, this will be retained.

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Mar 24, 2008 2:12 AM in response to Peggy

Peggy wrote:

Open your database in AppleWorks, view as a List (although this isn't absolutely necessary), select all, copy then paste into a Numbers table. If you've done any formatting of the text in AppleWorks such as bold, italic, this will be retained.

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This process works … if there are no TAB or RETURN in the database fields.

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE lundi 24 mars 2008 10:11:43)

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