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Spotlight: what doesn't work?

The purpose of this thread is to try to discover which, if any, features of Spotlight do not work (correctly or at all) for
b all
users.

To that purpose, please limit messages in this topic to either examples of features you believe don't work for anybody or a counter-example showing that a mentioned feature works for someone.

My candidate nonfunctional feature example is the "invisible" search criteria, which I can not get to yield a single hit while searching in any container from "computer" on down to individual folders known to contain invisible items.

Can anyone report success with this feature?

Posted on Sep 25, 2005 9:29 AM

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Sep 26, 2005 9:12 AM in response to R C-R

Sorry, I fail to realize how to try the thing you're having problems with.

I would, however, like to report that using a keyword search in System Preferences doesn't work (any more) for me. Searching for "Volume" should highlight the "Audio" preference icon, however my system fails to do that (for all kinds of searches). This worked with the original installation of Tiger, but stopped working after 10.4.1(?)...

Anyone?

Sep 28, 2005 6:18 AM in response to R C-R

Spotlight cannot find any digital image files from either of my 2 cameras unless I rename the files in certain ways.
Try this: upload a folder of RAW (with my Canon camera these are .CR2 files) or JPG files. Spotlight will not be able to find a file named "HI4L1234.CR2 nor HI4L1234.JPG if I type in "1234" in the finder window's spotlight search area. Searching for "HI4L1234" does find the file but just searching for "1234" will not find jack even if spotlight is told to search only in the folder where HI4L1234.CR2 exists.
If the file is renamed to HI4L-1234.CR2 then a search of "1234" succeeds in finding the file. Rename the file back to HI4L1234.CR2 and again spotlight fails to find the file.
This has happened on my G5 DP desktop and my G4 powerbook with a fresh install of tiger.
What is it about files whose names start with "HI4L" or "DSCF" that causes spotlights blindness?
Here is something else- the file doesn't have to be a digital file. If I rename any file, .mp3, .doc, .rtf, .pdf etc with HI4L1234.doc the file cannot be found by searching for "1234"

Sep 28, 2005 6:28 AM in response to Ron Lynch

I type in "1234" in the finder window's spotlight search area. Searching for "HI4L1234" does find the file but just searching for "1234" will not find jack even if spotlight is told to search only in the folder where HI4L1234.CR2 exists.

If the file is renamed to HI4L-1234.CR2 then a search of "1234" succeeds in finding the file. Rename the file back to HI4L1234.CR2 and again spotlight fails to find the file.

Spotlight doesn't search for partial strings (ie. from the middle of a word) because it is doing content and metadata searches as well..This is a design feature as stated in The Spotlight Technical Brief page 14. Use a Name Contains search with Cmd-F Finder search... it should work.

Following Tobias' or Francine's tips here, you can set Name Contains to default. Example, I currently have Cmd-F to open with Kind:Any, Name:Contains, and Raw Query displayed.

Sep 28, 2005 9:27 AM in response to Mike-N-nahyunil

I find it amazing that a search tool doesn't search for partial strings (ie. from the middle of a word). Am I the only one?
As far as changing the default behavior of CMD-F, my /System/Library/CoreServices folder shows "Finder.app" as an application and is NOT a folder containing /Contents/Resources/default_smart.plist
"You need to edit the file /System/Library/CoreServices/Finder.app/Contents/Resources/default_smart.plist "

Sep 28, 2005 11:41 AM in response to Ron Lynch

Finder.app is indeed an application. However that icon is actually a folder. Appending the .app extension to a folder changes the way the Finder displays it and behaves with it. If you control click on a .app icon you will see the option to "Display Package Contents"--select that and the folder window opens showing the Contents folder. Open Contents and you will see, among other things, the Resources folder. The actual Finder executable (the "application") is inside the MacOS folder.
Francine

Oct 4, 2005 8:32 PM in response to Mike-N-nahyunil

Spotlight doesn't search for partial strings (ie. from the middle of a word) because it is doing content and metadata searches as well.


However, what it considers a complete word or word beginning can be tricky to figure out. If I type "pedia" into the Finder's Spotlight search area, I get "AmazonPedia" in the results. I also get that same file in the results if I search with "amaz p" or even just "a p" (all but the first entered without the quotes). Caps in the middle of strings are apparently treated as word delimiters, just like spaces & punctuation.

Oct 28, 2005 3:53 AM in response to R C-R

Well, it doesn't work... period.
No, that is not true, it can find lots and lots of files, but not the one I want.
I have here a network on Windows 2003, 2 Tb of files, more than 50.000 files, OSX 10.3 finds in a matter of seconds everything, 10.4 finds NOTHING.
I don't want to search for a text in a word file, I don't want 2000 files with the word 'the' in it, I just want to find a folder with a name, just like 'in the good old days'.
Using the finder method is also not working, sometimes I just open a folder and see the file standing, spotlight just doesn't see it!
I have made numerous feedback response to apple, at this time if I really want to find something, I use our Panther workstation. Programs like easyfind are simply too slow. Please let Apple give our old find method back!

Oct 28, 2005 8:21 AM in response to R C-R

Oh yes, I have tried it all, I have two Tiger installations on my system (4 partitions, including 1 Panther) And both Tiger systems don't find folders. (I mostly look for folders, because our clients have order-numbers attached to the folder-names)
Folders that are obvious there, cannot be found with spotlight, even sometimes crashing the system. Restarting to Panther works always, it finds all the folders and files I look for, the problem is clearly something to do with spotlight. I really don't like the whole indexing idea, re-indexing is completely useless, why can Panther find it, and Tiger not? I like Tiger, it is snappy, works great, but I could do without the whole spotlight idea, it is not a good solution for network environments.

Spotlight: what doesn't work?

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