Word (Office 2001) gives Type 2 error at start-up - help needed

Good day - I'm puzzled by a problem I'm unable to resolve. First, Word (part of the Office 2001 suite) suddenly lost it's pull-down menus, including the About tab, and then, upon relaunch, gave me a Type 2 error and refused to start. It first shows the Start-up 'Gallery' scene, and when you try to open an existing document or a new Word document, it then briefly shows the Word template and then crashes with a Type 2 error (I've run this program for years without any major issues). When I couldn't get this resolved after re-starting with a desktop rebuild, I checked the other applications - Entourage, PowerPoint, and Excel, and they all work fine. I trashed the Microsoft prefs - still no change. I removed the fonts - no change. I reloaded the MS Word portion of the Suite - no change. I zapped the PRAM, tested all the system extensions, even replaced the Internet Prefs - no joy. I even went so far as to do a Clean Install of new System software from my software install disk. Other than this, I haven't loaded any new software or done anything that I can think would cause this, and the odd thing is that the program installed on the hard disk WILL RUN when I boot from a restore or Norton system CD! Yet, when I reboot into my system on the hard drive, I'm back to the error message. With brand new system software the application will crash as before. Short of completing re-installing the Office 2001 suite (which I don't want to do, as I will likely lose all my email and address book and calendar) or re-initializing the hard drive and completely starting over, losing everything, I'm at a loss. I have run Norton (de-fragged the HD, ran anti-virus, etc.), checked my hardware with the hardware test disk, used Disk First Aid, all to no avail - no problems with memory, hardware or software indicated. The only thing I haven't done is update drivers, primarily because I have a newer (3.2.8) disk driver on the system than the Driver Utility has, and I don't want to replace it with 3.2.7. Does anyone have any ideas as to what may be causing this, or have any ideas before I'm forced to take this to a Mac repair facility? Thanks in advance...

G4 Digital Audio, Mac OS 9.2.x

Posted on Apr 14, 2008 10:04 PM

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Apr 14, 2008 10:51 PM in response to BRRV

Try a startup with extensions off (hold down Shift key during startup). See if the problem recurs.

If it does not (like when you started up from the Norton CD), there may be an extension conflict. I realize you said you have not installed anything new, but it can also be caused by an extension file that has become corrupted. You may need to do some tests to determine which extension or control panel file is causing the problem (process of elimination), by enabling extensions and control panels in sets.

Apr 15, 2008 8:48 AM in response to Texas Mac Man

Greetings to all - Thank you for your replies and help. I did this in reverse order to the posts. Trashing the ASLM, Finder, Mac OS and System Prefs provided the same result - Type 2 error at Word start-up. I had tested extensions using the extensions manager in sets of 5 with no change previously; I restarted with all extensions off (shift key at start-up) and got the same Type 2 error when launching MS Word.

Further info: I've tried this with VM at 1M + installed memory and with VW at double installed memory and it made no difference (I've always used VM in substantial blocks, even with VPC, which I use daily). I've removed ATM 4.6 as a precaution. I've also tried to remove everything that interfaces with MS Word - PrinToPDF comes to mind, as well as all non-original fonts.

I'm puzzled by one thing, which may be nothing but a curiosity, and it may have to do with the way I'm installing MS Word in an attempt to overcome this issue. As you know, Office 2001 provides you with a number which you need to retain upon installation. My original number, then, becomes superceded with each install; in other words, the last 4 numbers changes, out of the original 54092-XXX-XXXXXXX-XXXXX number provided. A number shows up on the initial lauch window; the problem I detect is that this number isn't the number given at the last install, but the ORIGINAL number I was given when the program was originally installed. This 'suggests' that perhaps the problem is with MS Word itself, as you'd think the program at lauch would recognize the new ID number given when the program files are re-installed using custom install. As an aside, I originally tried to do a 'drag and drop install of the Office 2001 folder, as suggested on the install disk; the system read the item numbers and gave me a 'preparing to copy' message and a spinning beach ball for 20 minutes before I was more or less forced to restart the computer with the reset button. I'm unsure this makes any difference, given that the program will launch with a boot disk, and all of the other modules will launch as they always have.

I'm appreciative of your help and comments. I didn't realize that this forum existed before, having been using a local MUG forum exclusively, and I suspect I'll use it a lot in the coming months as I coax an aging machine to continue working. This may be the first time in 20 years of Mac ownership that a technician might be called for, but I'm hoping for an easier solution.

Apr 15, 2008 11:09 AM in response to BDAqua

The only disk repair I've done is that available from Disk Doctor/Norton SystemWorks V1.02: defragment hard drive, check for viruses, and run tests for damaged files. I've also run hardware tests with the Apple hardware disk, and used Disk First Aid to evaulate the disk. There hasn't been any indication of any problems at all. The only file which had damaged resources was removed completely (unfortunately it was my disk image of Windows 98 for VPC).

Type 2 Error is what the message specifically says, and on OS 9 I think it might be an address issue, but that's all the information I've been able to find.

Apr 15, 2008 7:57 PM in response to Texas Mac Man

Tom, thanks. I'd already seen that article. Since the issue happens with both extensions on and extensions off, and doesn't happen when I boot from a restore CD or other bootable CD, I'm at a loss to explain how to further test this, since I can't find any change in the launch of the app. I may actually be forced to re-initialize the disk and just start over. If I turn control panels off, it also happens, so no amount of tinkering with the extensions, prefs, or control panels on the hard drive seems to do anything.

I'll go back through and try this one more time to see if I get any change. Otherwise, I'm stumped.

Apr 15, 2008 8:39 PM in response to BRRV

As a +last resort+ before doing the clean install thing, try what I call a "preferences purge."

Rename your Preferences folder in you System Folder +Preferences Old+ (or any different name). Create a new folder in the System Folder and name it Preferences. You may have to do this while booted from another disk.

Restart normally. The OS should create fresh new preferences files as needed. Running apps will also create new preference files. Since registration information is often stored in the Preferences folder, you may have to reenter serial numbers for some apps, including Microsoft Office.

Since your problem goes away when booted from a CD, and it's not an extensions conflict apparently, and you've covered other possibilities, I think it's a corrupt preference file in there somewhere.

Good housecleaning... - Preference files build up over time, even from apps that you only tried once, so you may find that your Mac runs better overall after doing the +preferences purge+.

NOTE: If you want to put things back the way they were, just get rid of the new Preferences folder and rename the previous one, +Preferences Old+, back to "Preferences" - then restart. If you like things the way they are after the purge, you can eventually delete the +Preferences Old+ folder, after making sure you don't need anything that's in there.

Apr 16, 2008 8:22 AM in response to Kenichi Watanabe

OK - I should mention that I had already done a Clean Install over the weekend with no results. I did as you suggested, removing the Prefs folder - it would not let me rename it, so I dragged it to the trash and created a new folder named Preferences in the System Folder while booting from the Software Restore Disk. After restarting, I attempted to launch MS Word - still have the same result - Type 2 error. I've also re-run Tech Tool Deluxe and the Apple Hardware Test disk, both with no reports of any problems, and have rebuilt the desktop again. I also restored the old Prefs, since there wasn't any difference in the outcome.

Present thinking: I'm considering the purchase of another hard drive, such as a WD 7200 ATA/66, that I can install and run in the second (upper) part of the drive carrier, in essence reloading all of my data and programs on a new fresh hard drive in the remote possibility that this is a hardware issue and not a software problem - while not a perfect solution, I'd still have access to all of my old data and so on with a brand new drive with new software - ASSUMING that I can boot the 2nd (slave) drive as a stand-alone drive and that the original "master drive" would show up on the desktop when booted from the slave (2nd) drive. I could then, theoretically, re-install Office:mac 2001 and run it without issue. Before I do this, I'm open to any further advice, and, FWIW, I've been in touch with a local Apple Macintoch technical person who is I believe as baffled by this as I am, as he's thinking it could be RAM related - which isn't showing up on any tests.

(The issue with MS Word, for those interested, is that I need to be able to communicate with business customers who are using the defacto standard, so Word is, for me, essential, and there really is no alternative.)

Lastly, for anyone with experience on MS Word, through Office:mac 98, 2001, or similar - when I reload the program and get a new number, it would stand to reason that this new number would show up in the About... dialog box, correct? This isn't happening, as it still gives me my original number, which tells me (unless I'm completely off-base) that the problem, whatever it may be, might not be allowing me to re-install the program. This of course doesn't make any sense to me, since I can still run the program from a bootable CD.

Any ideas, anyone? Thanks for your help and ideas.

Apr 16, 2008 9:38 AM in response to BRRV

I was going to suggest a corrupt font, as Word loves to display each font in the Font menu in it's own typeface. But your re-install of OS9.2 should have corrected this.

Regarding the serial numbers, if you re-install you're asked to key your SERIAL number again, and I think this is what you see in the "About Word" dialog. But once the install completes and you've keyed your serial you get a support (or other) number back. Can't remember what it's called exactly.

I'll have a look tonight on my old MDD.

Just one note:

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/302761

I can't remember if there are other patches after SR-1, there are loads for Office, but you may have to check. Hope the Microsoft Mac site is more friendly than it was when Office 2008 came out - every page you went to was trying to sell you Off 2008.
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Edit:

One more note ...

http://support.microsoft.com/kb/272766/en-us

Never mind that it refers to errors when starting from a System CD, the key part of the note is in "Test The System", where it lists the Microsoft extensions required. They may be corrupt. Look for them also in the Office installation folder. Perhaps a re-install of these, and the re-application of any Office 2001 patches which may have updated these.

Again, I'll see what versions I'm running, when I get home.

Apr 16, 2008 11:17 AM in response to Simon Teale

Simon, thank you - I had not seen this article. Yes, there are updates to SR1 - MS rolled this into Mac Security Update 9.0.5, and there was another update after that, 9.0.6. Starting over completely, per the instructions in the article, may be my only option.

Your last edit, to another link, is the tech article I've been using since I started this on Saturday, with no results, unfortunately. The ONLY thing I haven't done is update my driver, due to a later version being available in my system. Should this be a concern?

I have used anti-virus software (Norton), so the linkage between that and the issue I have, while circumstantial, is enough for me to try and follow the procedures on the article. And yes, it's still true that on many of the kb article links they are trying to sell you 2008. If it was up to me, I'd frankly never buy another MS product, but I digress.

Follow-up Question: The article talks about removing MS Office:mac 2001 completely. This may seem simple, but I have never removed an MS product like this and then tried to reuse or access data. Here is my question: If remove the Office folder as mentioned in the article, will I, upon reinstallation, still be able to access my Entourage database? This is more than critical for me to be able to do.

Apr 16, 2008 12:49 PM in response to BRRV

Don't know about the driver, but it shouldn't make any difference, especially if you have Word working while booted from a cd.

Are there any of the 5 extensions in the "Office 2001:Office" folder ? These would be used in the event that you booted from a cd, rather than the ones in your OS9 System Folder:Extensions.

Yes, you'll still have your Entourage folder, it's in the Documents:Microsoft User Data:Office 2001 Identities:Main Identity folder. Make a backup if you want to be sure. And also make sure you upgrade any re-installation of Office with all patches before trying to re-open the Entourage database.

But, just because your system works when booted from cd, I still think it's an issue with the 5 Microsoft extensions in the System Folder. Can you confirm that they are still there - there is a chance they're missing since you reinstalled the system folder. Or there's an issue with a corrupt font that re-installing the OS hasn't fixed. What did you do to the old System Folder before re-installing OS9.2 again ?

Apr 16, 2008 1:49 PM in response to Simon Teale

Thanks for your reply, Simon. To your question, "Are there any of the 5 extensions
in the "Office 2001:Office" folder ?" the answer is yes, as described under
the procedure for booting Word from an alternate System, as on the boot disk.
They are still there - I'm going to leave them there until this is resolved,
as I don't think they are hurting anything, so far as I can tell.

The 5 extensions - Microsoft Component Library, MS Internet Library,
MS OLE Automation, MS OLE Library, and MS Structured Storage, are in the
extensions folder. 3 of these appear to be files that were replaced from
the previous system folder, as they are labeled green (I always label previous
system folder contents in a specific color so I know what I may have moved
if there are any issues). My notes don't indicate it, but I'm sure I moved
these back after the failure of my previous clean install, although I'm not
sure why.

The only way I know of to replace those files is to do a re-install of
Word, or better yet, Office, by dragging the program icons to the trash and
then re-installing the program according to the instructions in article 302761.
Would you recommend I use the Remove Office Utility to remove it, and then re-install it with extensions off?

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