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Photo delete issue: iPhoto and Trash in Dock...

3227 Views 14 Replies Latest reply: Apr 25, 2008 11:32 AM by Terence Devlin RSS
AKazak Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
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Apr 21, 2008 1:04 AM
Hallo dear Mac users!

My family now had one Mac and recently I've bought a new one. Both of them use iPhoto in referenced mode (*Copy items to the iPhoto Library* is unticked).
On the first Mac one can delete unwanted photo physically from HDD just by selecting unwanted photos from LIBRARY and dragging them to Finder Trash. After that one should drag the same selection to iPhoto Trash and empty both Trash bins. This results in selected files to be deleted physically from HDD as well as their information from iPhoto database.
On the second (new) Mac if you select group of unwanted photos from LIBRARY and drag them to Finder Trash nothing happens... BUT if you open Finder Trash window try to drag selection to it everything is going OK - selection comes to Finder Trash and you can delete unwanted photos physically.

How can I configure my second Mac's iPhoto or whole system to send single (group) of unwanted photos right to Finder Trash without opening it in separate window?

Thread clone in iPhoto section:
http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1493743&tstart=0
MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.2)
  • Bruce Etnyre Level 4 Level 4 (1,440 points)
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    Apr 22, 2008 3:25 PM (in response to AKazak)
    Since you haven’t received any replies to this you should probably post it (or repost it) in the iPhoto forum.

    The link you provided gives the message: “Error: you do not have permission to view the requested forum or category.“
    PPC G5 1.6 and 2.3 GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.2), MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPod (clickwheel)
  • Bruce Etnyre Level 4 Level 4 (1,440 points)
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    Apr 23, 2008 9:02 AM (in response to AKazak)
    I was able to replicate what you described, but I don’t think it is entirely a Finder issue as Terrance Devlin said on your post in the iPhoto forum. It is a Finder and iPhoto issue.

    As I understand it, this behavior was a modification made in the new version of iPhoto in iLife 08. It is considered a feature to prevent users from inadvertently removing photos from the iPhoto library. Apparently in the previous version of iPhoto, dragging a photo out of the iPhoto window removed it from the iPhoto library. Now it copies it and leaves the original in the iPhoto library.

    When dragging a photo from iPhoto directly to the Finder Trash on the dock, the photo will not go into the Trash. But opening the Trash window and dragging the photo from iPhoto to the Finder Trash window, copies it to the Trash, but doesn’t remove it from iPhoto or your hard drive. Emptying the Finder Trash also does not remove it from iPhoto or your hard drive. It only deletes the copy you made to the Finder Trash.

    To delete the photo from your hard drive, the photo must be dragged to the iPhoto trash to remove it from the Photos window and then emptying the trash in iPhoto will remove it from the drive.

    Moving the photo to the iPhoto trash by dragging it or using the Move to Trash from the iPhoto application’s Photos menu (or using the key-combination: Command-delete) and then emptying the iPhoto trash either by using the Empty Trash from iPhoto’s iPhoto menu or the key-combination Shift-Command-Delete, the photo will be effectively removed from your hard drive. It will give you a message before it deletes it from the hard drive with something like: Are you sure you want to empty the trash? This action cannot be undone.

    Because the users in the iPhoto forum viewed this as a Finder issue, and the users in this Leopard forum apparently viewed it as an iPhoto forum issue (by ignoring it), the problem was left hanging.

    This new method of operation in iPhoto is actually easier. The trash can in iPhoto is closer for moving photos to it and will more likely prevent users from accidentally losing photos.

    Hope this helps, but reply if it is not clear and I will try to explain further.
    PPC G5 1.6 and 2.3 GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.2), MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPod (clickwheel)
  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,650 points)
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    Apr 23, 2008 9:23 AM (in response to AKazak)
    I use iPhoto in referenced mode


    i.e those files are stored in the Finder, correct?

    Hence my suggestion that this is a Finder issue.

    Regards

    TD
    MacBook Pro 15 2.4 C2D / iMac 20" 2.16 C2D, Mac OS X (10.5), 4 gig RAM/ 2 gig RAM
  • Bruce Etnyre Level 4 Level 4 (1,440 points)
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    Apr 23, 2008 10:52 AM (in response to AKazak)
    With the “Copy items to the iPhoto Library“ unticked, iPhoto does not actually import a copy of the photo, it only points to the original photo and displays an image of the photo. So deleting it by putting it in the iPhoto trash and emptying it does not delete the original. It deletes iPhoto’s image of the photo.

    But if you take any photo (or thumbnail image) from iPhoto to anywhere else, it only copies the image to where you dragged it. It is not copying the original photo (located in another folder), only the image it is pointing to.

    To remove the photos, you would need to find the original photo that iPhoto is only pointing to, and move that file to the Finder Trash and empty the trash to remove it from the hard drive.

    If the photos are deleted by moving them from your original folder to the Finder Trash and successfully removes them, it is not a Finder issue, but an issue (feature) in iPhoto to prevent deleting originals and also saving disk space by not having a copy in a non-iPhoto folder and another copy in the iPhoto Library folder.

    You might also want to know that if you edit a photo in iPhoto that is only pointing to the original photo, iPhoto will make a copy of the original and put it in the iPhoto Library folder, but not make any changes to the original photo (also a safety feature). You can get more information about it in iPhoto’s Help menu under Importing Photos and selecting Importing from a source other than a digital camera.
    PPC G5 1.6 and 2.3 GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.2), MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPod (clickwheel)
  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,650 points)
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    Apr 23, 2008 11:41 AM (in response to Bruce Etnyre)
    Bruce

    The Poster's issue has nothing to do with iPhoto. It's about what happens when a group of files are dragged to the Finder trash. On one machine the files go in the trash. On the other they don't go into the trash unless a Finder window is open on the trash.

    Regards

    TD
    MacBook Pro 15 2.4 C2D / iMac 20" 2.16 C2D, Mac OS X (10.5), 4 gig RAM/ 2 gig RAM
  • Bruce Etnyre Level 4 Level 4 (1,440 points)
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    Apr 24, 2008 8:15 AM (in response to AKazak)
    AKazak - I followed your instructions and had similar, but slightly different results from what you described.

    You are correct that dragging the test image from iPhoto to the open Finder Trash window DOES move the original to the Finder Trash, although moving the photo from iPhoto to the Trash icon on the dock still will not move it to the Finder Trash (your original question). The photo can only be moved to the Finder Trash if the Finder Trash window is open and moved to that window.

    After step 6) you said “Now if you want to empty Finder Trash it won’t do, because the image is still used by iPhoto.”

    This was not the case with my computer. I was able to empty the Finder Trash after step 6) and received NO message that the Trash could not be emptied because the item was in use.

    When I tried step 7), moving the image from the iPhoto Event window to the iPhoto Trash, it gave an Alert: The photo “testimage.JPG” could not be opened, because the original item cannot be found.

    I had to use the Move to Trash from iPhoto‘s Photos menu to move the image to the iPhoto Trash. Step 9) was unnecessary because the Finder Trash had already been emptied after step 6).

    It is still unclear why your first Mac allows photos to be dragged directly to the Finder Trash icon on the dock but your newer Mac, and my Mac, do not allow this. Is your older Mac running the 10.5.2 OS and iPhoto from iLife 08? That is what I have and it behaves the same as your new Mac.

    Terrence - If it is not related to iPhoto in any way, why is it I can move any other file to the Finder Trash icon on the dock, but not an iPhoto image from the iPhoto window?
    PPC G5 1.6 and 2.3 GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.2), MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPod (clickwheel)
  • Bruce Etnyre Level 4 Level 4 (1,440 points)
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    Apr 24, 2008 9:52 AM (in response to AKazak)
    As I understand it, your older Mac has the behavior you want, which is being able to move photos directly to the Finder Trash on the dock. So that Mac is not the one with an issue because it does what you want.

    Your newer Mac, and mine, do not allow moving photos to the Finder Trash on the dock and must be moved to the Trash window, which is not what you want.

    My only guesses are that your older Mac either has some third-party software on it (or perhaps some remnants of iLife 06) that allows you to do what you want, or the PRAM on your older computer is set to allow the action.

    You could possibly change the older Mac by removing or updating third-party software or old system files related to iLife 06, or by resetting the PRAM, but that would just produce the behavior you don’t want on that computer.

    Sorry, but I don’t see a way to get your newer Mac to behave like the older one.

    And I still think there is probably someone in the iPhoto forum who could at least explain to you what the differences are between the current and previous versions of iPhoto in regard to how and where photos are saved and the new method used by iPhoto to protect users from inadvertently deleting photos. I read a thread on it somewhere, but probably not on this forum.

    Because I have been the only poster who has responded with advice to address the issue, and it has been bumped 10 times and viewed numerous more times, and I don’t seem to be helping you either, I think you should search the problem in the iPhoto forum and perhaps repost your question there, even though Terence disagrees.

    No one, including me (although I tried), is helping you in this forum.
    PPC G5 1.6 and 2.3 GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.2), MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPod (clickwheel)
  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,650 points)
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    Apr 25, 2008 6:58 AM (in response to Bruce Etnyre)
    Gulp!

    The sound of me eating my words. Apologies.

    The entire time I have read these threads I assumed that when the OP poster referred to dragging Photos from Library, that he was talking about dragging from his own library of images, not managed by iPhoto. Hence, my thinking that this was dragging from the Finder to the trash.

    Again, apologies.

    And you are exactly right. It's not a question of how the new machine can be made to behave like the old, but rather why is the old doing what it does.

    There is no way that dragging a pic from the iPhoto Window to the Trash in the Dock should remove that pic to the trash. This is - essentially - dragging an alias to an alias, the most that will happen is that the alias will be deleted, not the file.

    Dragging to the Finder Window will make a copy of the file in the trash, not remove it.

    I also have tried to replicate this process with no luck whatever.

    Regards

    TD
    MacBook Pro 15 2.4 C2D / iMac 20" 2.16 C2D, Mac OS X (10.5), 4 gig RAM/ 2 gig RAM
  • Bruce Etnyre Level 4 Level 4 (1,440 points)
    Terence (I think I finally spelled it correctly) - it is completely understandable because this was a confusing issue and very unintuitive from the way applications and the Finder normally work.

    I initially responded with how I understood iPhoto worked with trashing files to the Finder and didn’t actually try it. Not until AKazak (I spelled that correctly somehow) gave the list of steps was I able to replicate what was occurring on his new machine and find out I was wrong (big gulp for me too).

    Dragging a photo from the iPhoto window to the Trash on the dock does not copy an alias to the Trash - it doesn’t do anything - the Trash remains empty after dropping the photo in the dock‘s Trash. But opening the Trash window allows copying the photo from the iPhoto window to the Trash window, and moves the original from the folder where it was, into the Trash window. The photo still remains visible in the iPhoto window, but clicking on it produces the alert that it can’t find the original (because, of course, it was moved to the Finder Trash window.

    When you tried replicating this, moving a photo from the iPhoto window to the Finder Trash on the dock, what happened? Are you using iPhoto from iLife 08? As I speculated previously (and it is a wild guess) perhaps AKazak’s older computer may have something from iPhoto 06 that is allowing the peculiar (although desired) behavior. I updated from iLife 06 but could not replicate the behavior on AKazak’s older computer.

    Hopefully the problem was posted on the iPhoto forum and the users there had a solution, or at least an explanation. You have helped a lot of people and I don’t think this was a major setback for AKazak. Although these discussion boards are very valuable, it is often difficult to understand the problem, from what the user states (and sometimes inadvertently withholds) to diagnose and solve the problem without actually seeing the problem on the computer.
    PPC G5 1.6 and 2.3 GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.2), MacBook Pro, iPhone, iPod (clickwheel)
  • Terence Devlin Level 10 Level 10 (121,650 points)
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    Apr 25, 2008 11:32 AM (in response to Bruce Etnyre)
    Bruce

    I got exactly the same results as you.

    Dragging from the iPhoto Window to the trash in the dock did nothing

    Dragging from the iPhoto Window to the Trash window moved the Original to the trash

    Emptying the trash produced no message and the file was deleted.

    Regards

    TD
    MacBook Pro 15 2.4 C2D / iMac 20" 2.16 C2D, Mac OS X (10.5), 4 gig RAM/ 2 gig RAM

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