Desktop files etc. won't open after botched software install

Dear New Best Friends:
(a) My new mac mini is just up and running since yesterday. I'm not new to Mac but AM new to setting up, installing, etc., and to being the one responsible. (My brother-in-law used to do everything for me, but he moved, the heartless you-know-what.) Anyway,after a few false starts, a "mini" nervous breakdown and one complete reinstall, things were humming. I was so happy with the Mini -- and, I admit it, with myself. But pride goeth before a (downloading) fall...

(b) Since I successfully installed an old copy of MS Office 2001 (after installing OS 9), I decided I could be trusted to install a old copy of Photoshop 5.0 (used previously on my G3/OS 9.2). The disc icon appeared on the desktop, but nothing happened when I clicked it. So, freaking idiot that I am, I remembered recently reading about the "drag to the hard-drive" Mac method of installation...

(c) I dragged it, alright, and it disappeared into that cute little hard-drive icon... and, just like that, i-life as I knew it was over. (Remember when Kevin Bacon flips that fateful switch on board Apollo 13? Everything had been going so well...) Now, none of the desktop icons -- the hard-drive, the printer, various Word files and folders -- will open. (They highlight with one click but don't do anything with 2 clicks.) I can't seem to get into them any other way, either, but again, I'm new to OS X, and to being the one in charge. SO, I have no access to MS Office, or to my Word documents or to numerous folders of art and photos.

(d) I've searched as best I know how through these Discussions for a similar problem but have had no luck. I've never posted to a forum in my life, but I've admired you all from afar. (I figured out what display to buy from reading here.) I hope I am posting this right; I don't really know how this topic/thread stuff works. (Be gentle on me -- and educate me --if I'm in the wrong place.)

And finally, MY QUESTION: Can my downloading error be reversed?

Thanks so much in advance (you deserve much more just for reading this). Peace and love!

Posted on Sep 10, 2005 12:16 PM

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Sep 10, 2005 5:02 PM in response to BonnieB.

Bonnie, welcome to discussions!

Photoshop 5 is not compatible with Mac OS X. You should be able to drag its installer to the trash, though.

Next, go to Applications / Utilities and launch DiskUtility. In the DU panel at left, you will see your hard drive icon, click it once and then click "Repair Permissions" at the bottom of the main window. This will take a few minutes, be patient.

Post back if you need more...

Sep 10, 2005 8:21 PM in response to Nick Holmes

Nick, thanks so much for your "welcome" and for responding. I've been feeling mighty alone in this.

One thing from my original post I want to correct: it was Photoshop 5.5, not Photoshop 5.0, that I attempted to install. Not that it makes a difference; just want to be accurate.

Just so you know, I didn't think that old Photoshop version would be compatible with OS X alone, but I did think it would be compatible within my mini's Classic environment, created when I installed the mini's version of OS 9. Was that right?

Now, regarding your suggestions:

(1) I can't drag the installer to the trash because there IS no installer. When I originally inserted the photoshop disk, its icon appeared on the desktop but no window opened when I double-clicked it. That's when I likely committed the fatal error of dragging the big Photoshop icon to the hard drive icon. And that's when all the icons on the desktop -- the hard drive, the MS Office 2001 folder, everything -- became unopenable to me.

(2) I can't GET to Applications because I can't get to the stuff on the mini hard drive because it won't open! (Which is, of course, the problem.) Is there a way around this?

(3) However, before you responded (and after researching Apple Support's Troubleshooting 101) I used the OS X install disk to get to the Disk Utility function; I clicked "Repair" (not Repair Permissions) for the hard drive, and was informed that No Repairs Were Necessary. I then created a new User Account and, yes, I could open the Hard Drive icon on the new user's desktop, but it didn't contain any of my own apps or folders.....

(3) After reading your message, I went back and did the whole "restart using the OS X install disk" thing again, and again went to Disk Utility, only this time I asked it to Verify Permissions. It listed a few things that were out of whack ("internet/library" or some such) and so I clicked Repair Permissions.

Sadly, the problem didn't vanish. Any other thoughts?

I guess I'll try an "Archive and Install" thing, although I fear that it will only archive the problem. (I'm feeling pessimistic; is that what happens when you try to fix a computer problem for about nine hours?) If it doesn't work, I guess I'll just have to Erase and Install and start all over.......

Your advice was and is welcome. (The ghost of Bob Marley gave some good advice, too; painful, but good...)

God Bless Us Every One.

P.S. It just occured to me that maybe the fact that I couldn't open the photoshop cd icon when I clicked it was simply the first indication of the PROBLEM, rather than something that led to CAUSING the problem. In other words, I couldn't open the photoshop icon just like I can't open the other desktop icons.......hmmm. Not that this thought does me any good....does it?

Sep 12, 2005 5:20 AM in response to BonnieB.

Bonnie,

Photoshop 5.5 won't run in OS X of course, but as you surmise, it should run in the Classic environment.

You're also right, I think, that the fact you couldn't open the installer was an indicator of the problem you are describing here rather than that the installer or the Photoshop CD was the cause of the issue.

The fact that you were able to open desktop icons from a new user account indicates that there isn't anything wrong with the Mac, or even with MacOS, but that in fact the problem is likely concerning a setting or preference file inside your own user account.

Normally in this circumstance, it would be common to suggest you delete the finder preference file (your user account/library/preferences/com.apple.finder.plist) but if you can't open the desktop icons to navigate to this file and thus be able to drag it to the trash, you can't get at it!

Do the finder's menus pull down? If so, then with the mini started up but nothing running, go to the file menu and find. Then type in 'finder.plist'. This should locate the file and show it in a window - from where it should be possible to drag it to the trash. Next time the Mac starts up and logs you in, it would then create a new finder.plist file.

Sep 12, 2005 10:01 AM in response to AndyO

AndyOhhhhhh!

Thanks SO much for taking the time to read, think about and respond to this stuff. I am amazed and grateful that there is a Universe of caring Mac afficionados out there -- you and first responder Nick Holmes being the shining stars in that sky for me right now...

Yes, I believe the Finder's menus were still working when the desktop icons weren't, but unfortunately (?!), I can't try your compelling recommendation because, backed up against a frozen desktop wall (and fairly sure I would be about the only Topic Post-er ever who received only one reply, which I figured was because I wrote too much, too ignorantly and too annoyingly), I went ahead last night and did the only other thing I knew to do: Start Over.

I first performed an "Archive & Install," but the desktop problem remained. So I drop kicked, did the whole "Erase & Install" thing, and by gosh, the Mini is back. Yeay! (Now just have to make it "my" Mini with all that preference, calibration, etc. stuff....But hey, I guess this is how you gain experience?)

I had about decided never again to risk installing anything from my previous G3/OS 9.2 life, but after reading your response, I think maybe I'll try again....?

A question, perhaps off-Topic now but just in case you check back up on me and are feeling generous (or if any of you readers out there can help):

Is there a way to, under "non-combat" conditions, ask the Mini to look deep within itself and purge any of those problematic "setting or preference files" you referred to BEFORE they ruin my life? Or do I have to wait until I'm in trouble to try to get rid of a bad bad thing. Where would I go to look up how to do this?

iPeace and Mini blessings to you (all)--

Bonnie

Sep 12, 2005 10:38 AM in response to BonnieB.

Your posting wasn't too long or any of the things you suspect as being the cause of relaively little response. Indeed, most of the regulars here will read through a question, however long (and Apple limit the size of messages anyway) to see if they can help. I'd bet the reason you got fewer replies than many others do is that your problem was perhaps a little more obscure and thus a little harder to suggest solutions to. That and the fact it was a weekend when many regulars aren't so active in the discussion!

So, keep posting in whichever fashion you choose!

The reason your archive and install didn't fix it is that after the install, it puts back all your previous user settings etc, thus restoring the problem! The erase and install doesn't, hence it now works - same as when you set up a new user account and thus didn't have the faulty preference file.

There are some utilities that you can use to dig around the system and remove problematic preferences etc, but I'd strongly urge you not to - at least not right now. If you encounter similar problems, there are troubleshooting steps that you can take tyo help identify the specific cause of the problem and to resolve it, which is much better than using a utility that can cause more problems than it fixes!

And having installed Photoshop 5.5 on a number of OSX-based G4 systems for users to run in Classic, I can tell you that it sometimes causes problems, but these would be in Classic, not in OSX.

Sep 13, 2005 8:37 AM in response to AndyO

It's happened again. Desktop icon freeze.

Add to that frustration the fact that I just described the chain of events in long detail, and when I posted it earlier this morning, I got an Apple Discussions alert that they're, oh, doing some housework or something, and anyway, the posting got lost and only my computer info was transmitted (which was no longer accurate, because I did NOT reinstall Classic OS 9 after performing a complete erase and install Sunday.....)

So let me start over, outliningg this depressing chain of events:

After successful ⚠ OS X reinstall mentioned in previous post, I:

--Re-installed AOL, setting aol preferences

--Responded to iTunes prompt to download newest version; downloaded and left icon on desktop for later install

--Did first Apple Software Update check (remember, have only had this Mini a few days); it told me I needed about ten or eleven updates. I selected eight of them, notably OS X. Figured that getting the latest stuff would, you know, eliminate the glitch that caused first meltdown. Ha. (Downloading of the 8 selected updates took --get ready-- eleven hours and 49 minutes; I use AOL dial-up. In those hours, my internet loading was very slow on both aol and safari, but I figured that was because of downloading going on.)

--Opened desktop Hard Drive icon numerous times throughout day to set preferences, look around apps, and read cute little tutorials about how fun it is to use the Mini ⚠.

--Created first Text document; placed icon on desktop.

--Twelve-hour download extravaganza finally ended. Expected to have to install stuff, but I gather it does that automatically in these Apple software updates?

--Noticed that even though downloading was complete, internet loading was still slow; hmmmm; figured AOL was having one of its numerous bad days.

--Double-clicked the iTunes installer desktop icon mentioned above, and installed the newest version.

--May have re-calibrated my display afterwards, or may have been just before. (It's a new Dell 1704 FPT, if that makes any difference. Maybe Michael Dell is sabotaging Steve J.)

--Put Mini to sleep; he and I had had a hard couple of days...

--Put myself to sleep; dreamed of Fun Mini Days Just Ahead.

--Woke up this morning like it was Christmas, excited to begin new and improved life with Mini. Woke Mini. Double-clicked Hard Drive icon. NOTHING. Double-clicked Text icon. Nothing. Same problem. Different day. (Only this time, it IS a weekday, per previous posts...)

--Got online, went to Discussions, read AndyO's recommendation about Finder, File, find p.list, trash it, etc. Did so.

--Double-clicked Text document icon. IT OPENED. Wow! Wanted to buy AndyO a NanO.

--Double-clicked Hard Drive icon. NOTHING. Gulp.

--Closed Text document. Double-clicked Hard Drive icon again. Nothing.

--Double-clicked Text icon. This time, Nothing.

--Re-performed p.list steps. Didn't work this time.....

Please note major differences between this freeze and the last:

(1) Classic OS 9 wasn't installed this time. (So neither was MS Office 2001, of course, nor any old software.)

(2) Updated ("improved"!) OS X is running, along with updated QuickTime and other Apple-recommended updates.

(3) New version of iTunes is installed.

But in spite of these differences, the problem's effect is the same.

One of AndyO's messages (2.1.1.1?) said something to the effect that if I encounter such problems again there are troubleshooting steps I can take to identify the specific cause and resolve it.

Please, dear readers, what are those steps? I am discouraged, and not just a little worried.

Sign me,

Many, many hours away from the nearest Apple Store (about $3,000 in gas)

Sep 13, 2005 10:25 AM in response to BonnieB.

PROBLEM SOLVED !!??

I called Apple Tech Support with my problem. The nice lad Umberto didn't know what to do, but consulted with his cohorts.

"Okay," he said when he returned to the line, "try this: Highlight the icon, then press Apple key + O."

The hard drive window opened.

Umberto said, hold on.

He came back. "Okay," he said, "go to keyboard & mouse under system preferences." I did.

"Go to mouse." I did.

"Is the 'double-click' speed set closer to slower, or faster?"

"Faster," I said.

Okay, he said, hold on, please.

Then he was back. "Please change the speed to half-way, or maybe a little slower."

I did.

"Now, please try to open your desktop icons by double-clicking."

THEY OPENED.

It was the mouse. The brand new pretty little Apple Mouse with its cool red rays was evidently pre-set too high or something. Pretty cool they diagnosed it; not too cool it can happen.

I don't know whether to laugh or cry. But can I at least believe that I have in some small way contributed to the vast store of anecdotal knowledge swirling around in these hallowed forums? Kinda like having a disease named after you.

Thanks to you all, especially AndyO, for the time and support.

And beware your mice.

Sep 13, 2005 11:44 AM in response to BonnieB.

Congratulations on getting it fixed - I've had the same problems with MS mice in Windows 2000 and XP, but never had a Mac set the double-click speed to high (I've done it by mistake a couple of times though!!).

There are times when mouse or keyboard settings can change though - occasionally waking from sleep can cause it, and unplugging a keyboard or mouse (usually the latter) will often cause settings to change - particularly tracking speed for the mouse. But usually once set, they stay set.

On the issue of all those updates you had to do - it's often the case that when installing from origoinal discs there are a number of large updates to download (and yes, they do install automatically). These days it's almost inevitable that there are a series of updates between the date the install/restore discs with the system were issued and the date the install/restore is being done. With Windows systems I typically just let them get on it with, with the usual series of reboots required along the way. With Macs, I generally deselect all the updates except MacOS and security ones at first. After they've been done, running software update in System Preferences allows you to identify and select the next batch. That way you can pick and choose which ones to do, and when to do them. Any that you don't need (for example an iPod updater when you don't have an iPod) you can simply uncheck and thus not download at all.

All in all however, it's not a regular thing to have to erase and install, so the whole process isn't something you're likely to have to do very often! And if you do ever need to do it again, at least you'll be familiar with the process!!

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