Difference betwwen phase linear eq and chan eq

they look excatly the same. do they behave differently?
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Posted on Aug 17, 2005 8:54 PM

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Aug 17, 2005 9:04 PM in response to david nahmani

so you could use chan eq for tracking and when ready for mixing, switch to linear phase eq.


sure, you can swap them over, but you wouldn't necessarily want to do this. the sound you get out of a non linear phase EQ imparts its own character, which is what you may be after.

use them both (or ideally, every EQ you can get your hands on) as part of your arsenal for getting the sounds you want.

Aug 17, 2005 11:31 PM in response to synesthesian

I don't really have much technical knowledge.. have just picked up stuff along the way.

AFAIK:

when it comes to mastering, any kind of linear phase EQ is by far the choice most engineers would go for... this is because a mixed track is a very complex beast, with a lot of very precisely sculpted and placed elements within it.. well, in theory at least.. 😉

so, using an EQ that messes with phase risks to cause all sorts of unwanted shifting and artefacts all throughout the mix when all you are trying to do is EQ it. this manifests as blurring of stereo placement, and even things like transients and punch being affected badly. so linear phase is by far the choice for mastering cos it does not do this at all.

when it comes to EQing individual sounds.. really, it's anyone's call. you should learn the sound of your EQs by imprinting their signature in your brain. treat yourself like an impulse response analyser, and learn the character of every EQ you have.
sometimes, I even go for the fat EQ because I am looking for its particular kind of notchiness on a certain sound. other times, I'll go for a UAD cambridge because I like the way it helps reveal grain and harmonics without being brittle. also, right now I'm really liking the URS EQs.
linear phase or otherwise, when you are equalising individual sounds in your mix, it's really about finding the frequency scuplting tool(s) that give the nuances you are after. if a certain EQ does it with a touch of pleasant personality that works, then great. if it unfocuses and disturbs your sound in unwanted ways, try something else.

generally speaking though, linear phase EQs are a cleaner sounding EQ, which is useful when that is what you are after.

Aug 18, 2005 2:23 AM in response to synesthesian

tbirdparis already explained it very well, but as you say you don't know anything about phase and stuff maybe a short explanation on this:

picture a speakermembrane. You let it swing forth and back by applying a alternating voltage to it. Lets say this voltage is a sine-wave. So now the membrane creates a wave of air that causes a sound (sine-wave). This sine-wave has a phase - The phase tells you when the wave has its +/- maximum etc.

Now if you put another voltage to the speaker that is exactly the opposite (180° in phase) of the sine-wave-voltage that already swings, you have no voltage at all. This is because the second sine-wave adds to the first one. The resulting sound of this is, of course, no sound.

Now emagine an EQ not being phase accutrate, that means that the bands might not be in phase to each other. You will have some portions of the signal reduced or erased and other portions boosted.

That's why you should have a phase linear EQ available when mastering.

cheers
Martin

Aug 18, 2005 12:06 PM in response to Lemon

true

but not so true

get a snare, use the channel eq on it, then boost up frequencies around 80hz and 8000hz then bounce that track for about 4 bars

now change the channel eq to linear phase eq, the settings should be the same, bounce that channel as well for 4 bars

now A/B both snares, a person with a good ears and a good monitors will hear the differences

stash

Aug 18, 2005 3:41 PM in response to tbirdparis

This is a theory,
in reality nobody can tell the difference!!!

I'm not sure where you got thats from, but it sounds good if this was in the olden days where there was simple analog EQ with big knobs and thats it

now there is alot of EQs, and different quality between them too.

different EQs will most likely give you different sweet frequencies, it just depends which EQ

thats when you can see the differences between Analog EQ, Channel EQ and Linear phase EQ from logic

if they where all the same then there wouldn't have been a point in creating all of them

there is like 5 EQ in logic, and there is all different types of Analog EQ from different companies, and trust me they all sounds abit different, usually on the high ends and low ends is when you see the difference

if you can, do a test on them, try many EQs, from analog to digital

stash

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