Slip editing tool?

Sorry for not exactly answering you qeustion, but.... 🙂

I would use the "delay" in the parameter box to move the audio front or back. But of course it depends on how much we are talking here.

I think it's possible however, but first: Why cant you just move the whole region manually? And then move around the region-corners where you want them? I dont see your purpose, thats why I'm asking.

Ah, got it. Never thought of the idea myself, smart tool indeed 😉

trackfive, "Slip editing tool?" #2, 09:53am Sep 1, 2005 CDT

You just leave the region where it is and the audio file "slips" around inside the current region...easy if you want to slip to a different audio performance take without moving around the actual region and the in and out points.

It's not really a desirable function in audio sequencing. Usually there is material before or after the region boundaries that you don't want included.

You can do it in Sample edit though.
Double-click the region to open Sample Edit, and then select the hand tool. You can then slip the selection wherever you like. Then just do: 'selection->region' (if you want the region length to stay exactly the same, to the sample frame, uncheck 'zero crossings' in the Edit menu, but it is desirable to have it engaged to avoid clicks.)
Also make sure 'update arrange position' is unchecked or the region will move to the position of the audio, instead of vice-versa.

There's no such tool in Logic. But you can manage to go a similar way:

open the audio region in the sample editor and grab the region with the hand tool and apply by choosing "edit/selection->region". You can leave the sample editor open while prelistening the arrange.

not that handy as the slip tool but it works.

cheers
Martin

well, you where a little quicker with your answer, but:

It's not really a desirable function in audio sequencing.

maybe not in a musical way of sequencing, but when doing audio for film there are situations where this is absolutely desired.

eg. you have a scene with a police-car and you have an audiofile of a police-siren. now you have to fit the position of the audio to the picture and then you can decide which part of the siren matches best within this exact borders.

cheers
Martin

using the sample edit window as described above does appear to be the only way to do a form of slip edit in logic..

FWIW, I also do really think that logic needs a slip mode edit function.. the way it works in nuendo for example is fantastic. quite often I have long audio files I have made of an ambient or experimental sound design element, and I want to just slide it around to hear how different parts of it sit in an arrangement.. being able to do this while having the region boundaries already placed and locked down in the arrangement would be really great.

also useful if you have done say, vocal pickups - and you have one audio file where the vocalist has done the same bit over and over, one after the other. much easier to just put the region in place, and glide from one bit to the next till you find the best one.. as opposed to having to cut the whole region up first and test each bit out that way.

go to logic feedback and ask for this feature. I am about to do the same.

I may be misunderstanding, but isn't possible to do this in shuffle mode? When in shuffle mode, edge edit. Or is this not what you are wanting?

I'm also a Nuendo user, and I love the slip edit tool too, which is why I was so chuffed when I found that Logic does actually have a slip edit tool. It's not where you might think it is. And it's not even really a tool. Hmm, what am I on about?

You just need to set up a new screenset for it. Whenever you want the functionality of a slip edit tool, don't reach for a tool, switch to this screenset.

In the screenset, open an arrange window and an audio window. Arrange them however they best fit on your monitor. Set the audio window to contents link. Go to the zoom sliders on the audio window and zoom in.

Click on the region you want to slip on the arrange page and it should take centre stage on the audio window, because contents link is active. Then move your mouse pointer to the bottom third of the displayed region/waveform. Click and hold - you should see arrows. Now drag left or right - hey it's slipping! 🙂

In some ways this is even more elegant than the Nuendo solution. Ok so there's a tiny bit of setup required the first time you use it, but you only have to do it once, then save it to your autoload. On the plus side, you can see the audio outside the region borders so you can see the bits you want to slip into the region. Now if I want a slip edit tool, I just press 8 and bingo.

Tested on Platinum 6.3.3. Hopefully it still works in later versions.

I added a couple of options to Ben's excellent tip to increase this functionality:

Saving the screenset with the Audio Window as a float has certain advantages. Also saving it with the region edit tool selected has speed advantages too, though it probably shouldn't be saved like that in conjunction with the float.

Read more here:
http://community.sonikmatter.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=26927

brilliant post ben. awesome technique tip, duh to me that I didn't think of it earlier.

..and just when I was getting used to using exposé instead of screensets because I find them too slow and irritating to switch nowadays compared to card-shuffling my windows with exposé.

tbirdparis, "Slip editing tool?" #11, 10:30pm Sep 6, 2005

duh to me that I didn't think of it earlier.

Duh to me too 🙂
I have completely overlooked the region editing features in the Audio window, for about the last 8 years or so, because I could never see any use for editing regions at that sort of scale.

A further warning though, if using this method, make sure 'search zero crossings' is off in the Audio window, If it is left on, then the region length will gradually grow each time you move it.

ben,

I've been trying out your slip edit technique..

the only thing that bothers me is that I can't get anywhere near close enough a zoom on the audio window to make it easy to do any fine slip edits or nudges.

I suppose I'll have to look into the sample editor for that, thus complicating the screenshot setup somewhat.

how do you get around this?