Logic for audio or Nuendo?

Logic should really meet all of your requirements. Are you using the audio recording features of Logic. It is a very robust program. Nuendo is more of an audio for film program. Great if you can afford it but are you sure you need it? If you have a good audio convertor box (Presonus Firebox is great by the way), you should have no latency problems unless you're on an older machine. Good luck.

As much as I hate saying this, if you're only after the audiorecording Nuendo is by far the better choice. Nuendo competes directly with Pro Tools in the audio department, whereas Logic is much better (in my opinion) for composers/music programming.

You know I bought a Mac specifically because I wanted to get OFF Cubase/Nuendo and into Logic. I don't miss them at all, and I really don't understand why people think those apps are "better for audio". I find Logic just as easy as Cubase was for audio editing and manipulation, and of course, Logic is spectacular (basically, untouchable) when it comes to MIDI.

One of the things I missed in Nuendo is the Edit inplace and the ease of creating duplicate tracks. If logic would add edit in place then I think it will blow nuendo out of the ball park. Anotherthing is the way Nuendo handles Multi instruments "i know about all those bloddy tracks in the mixer" but I would like to see MULTI inst in logic become easier.

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I personally dumped Nuendo 2.x for Logic some time ago, and I don't miss it at all either. I used Logic for many years before that and was ecstatic to get back to it.

I do however think it's kind of silly to think that Logic's audio can compare to Nuendo.

But like I said - I definetly prefer Logic. I seldom work with more than 8-10 audio tracks.

I'd like to know if there really is an inherent difference in the Quality of the audio processing between these programs - including ProTools. I would have thought that the biggest difference to audio quality is going to be in the outboard gear, and the A/D converters. I suppose that different plug-ins may be better or worse but if we are talking cutting and pasting I can't see that any of them can be much different.

I we are talking about ease of use and stability for recording then maybe Nuendo has something - I haven't used it myself so I'm not sure. But I have observed that big film studios are moving away even from Pro Tools for some of these jobs - to dedicated systems like RADAR.

As usual, it comes down to how many bucks you have to shell out! Personally I would save my Nuendo money and invest in the converters, or buy something dedicated (if I had the dosh!)

I have to say when I first came to Logic from Nuendo, I notice that my mixes sounded very noticeably duller than they did back in Nuendo. It took me a long time to figure out why--well not exactly WHY, but how to get around it. I don't know, sometimes I think Nuendo had some kind of hidden "sweetener" stage in its audio engine, but regardless, you can't bring your lazy mixing skills you picked up from Nuendo to Logic. Your Logic final mixes will only sound "full" if you make them that way. I've found this requires two things (note: this is strictly my experience as an ex-Nuendo user, these are not rules)...one, don't use Logic's built in Channel EQ. I'm not saying it's bad, just doesn't seem to get me the results I'm looking for. I swapped it for Elemental Audio's Equim plugin. Two, run all your channels as "hot" as you can. Don't worry about the meter going into the red, as long as you can't hear it clipping AND you're not clipping at the final input (which you achieve with your limiters and finalizers).

Once I finally got the hang of pushing Logic, I'm now able to create mixes as good as mine were on Nuendo. The few mixes I've done on Pro Tools...same thing, Pro Tools audio sounds good, but I really don't like the app itself. In the end, it all comes down to the quality of the plugins you use in terms of your EQs, compressors and finalizers. In the hands of the same skilled engineer, a mix done in Logic with say Waves EQs and Izotope Ozone finalizer will school any mix done in Pro Tools with just the stock EQs and no finalizer.

My opinion.

My opinion.

and very interesting it is too.

Yeah, the audio engine in Logic is colored-but a lot better than it was when I started using Logic (V3). This is just a difference how the apps handle audio. If you were using channel EQ, Linear Phase EQ swaps presets and you can then get a typically better sounding/less degrading EQ. I think it is just a case of getting used to the Logic sound. A good Mix Engineer can get a good mix from Logic, it just takes some getting used to if you are used to other apps or formats.

Yeah, the audio engine in Logic is colored-but a lot better than it was when I started using Logic (V3).

sounds to me like the opposite might be true.. ie, the audio engine in logic is probably a bit less coloured than nuendo or tools which would explain why things sound plainer to start off with. a bit like the difference between hypey domestic hifi speakers that make everything sound bright and wide, and a good pair of reference monitors.

Also very possible, I don't feel like doing a DAW shootout today. Logic's audio has improved greatly over the last few years. Neither platform is bad, Logic sounds warm and round (moreso historically than today) which lends itself well to music production-at least to my ears. A/Bing a direct input and then through Logic is adequete. I think we should request 'hypey domestic hifi speakers' as the next speaker model in GAP, what do you say Antonio?

I think we should request 'hypey domestic hifi speakers' as the next speaker model in GAP, what do you say Antonio?

great idea.

we should also request a model of the sound pattern perceived by a & r people's hearing.

and also, nasty old NS10Ms.

Very interesting. I actually felt the exact opposite. In my experience I actually had to work alot harder with Nuendo than with Logic to get my mixes to sound good. To my ears Nuendo sounds much more "hard digital" and Logic have a nice "warm" sound quality to it.

I much prefer the sound of Logic, but can easily see others prefer Nuendo/Cubase.

nasty old NS10Ms huh?

First it was the 909 crash now it's the VS series COSM-I think Roland has been 20 years ahead of us the whole time. Speakerphone and rave tent settings would be great. For the A&R model would be difficult I would have to say, Audio Units with integrated printing services would be a first. We could just devise an 'expand on play CD' to deliver so any of them with slot loading CD decks would be unable to get the disc out of their player, forcing them to listen more than enough times.