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Resolution 720x576 (4:3) = 1024x576 (16:9) ?

Winston I have another video that has 720x576 on DVD. To convert crop to 1024x576 ?

Posted on May 28, 2008 2:33 AM

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May 28, 2008 7:58 AM in response to Pedro Santos

If your DVD is 4:3 then I'd try cropping top and bottom by 72 and setting the resolution at 768 x 432.

Otherwise I'd try no cropping, anamorphic on and leaving your resolution blank. This sounds like a more conventional DVD than your last one to me and handbrake should take care of it using the tv preset.

For the benefit of others Pedro is converting home made DVD's on a windows platform, handbrake does not decrypt commercial DVD's on the windows platform and this topic shouldn't create any issues relating to terms of use for these forums.

Message was edited by: Winston Churchill

May 28, 2008 8:25 AM in response to Winston Churchill

Why not 1024x576 ? This morning I made it in that resolution and in the PC it's 16:9. I didn´t trie yet on Apple TV, but the image it's great.
I don´t like very much to cut pieces of the image.
Earlier in other post you said that when the source is 720x576 you crop to 1024x576.

I tried right now what you said here and the movie outputs as 4:3 in PC.

Message was edited by: Pedro Santos

May 28, 2008 9:51 AM in response to Pedro Santos

720 x 576 can be either 4:3 or 16:9 it depends on the AR of the pixels (shape) which is different to the AR of the whole image.

Left to its own devices handbrake will simply maintain the original resolution (720 x 576) if the anamorphic flags are maintained and when displayed will display at the intended aspect ratio of either 4:3 or 16:9 if the anamorphic flags are removed it would create an export of 768 x 576 from your DVD (assuming it to be 4:3) or 1024 x 576 (assuming it to be 16:9)

If your original source was 16:9 it would therefore be easy to create a 16:9 export using handbrake. But if it's 4:3 you need to do some cropping. Since when you enter your own resolution into handbrake the anamorphic flags are turned off you have to consider what is happening here. The first thing to consider is that with anamorphic flags turned off your rectangular pixels will be converted to square ones so to maintain the original AR of 4:3 you need to convert the width of the picture to 768 square pixels from 720 rectangular ones so your export is now 768 x 576.

However you now wish to convert it to 16:9, you could do this by simply exporting to either 1024 x 576 or 768 x 432 or indeed 720 x 405 (which is best I will return to in a moment) but in each case the picture is either simply squashed or stretched to fit these sizes, so this is where you need to crop to stop this happening.

Take the 1024 x 576 option. To get to 1024 from 720 you need to multiply by 1.42 so you need to do the same to the height which gives you 819, if you simply convert to 1024 x 576, this new height of 819 simply gets squashed into 576 and distorts the picture, what you really need to do is just take the middle 576 pixels and throw away the top and bottom edges (cropping).

If you export to 1024 x 576 you are simply wasting space since you cannot improve on the original quality you are also resampling the original source, if you choose 768 x 432 you are still resampling but taking up less space, if you choose 720 x 405 you are not resampling.

In re-assessing my original post you might be better trying 720 x 405 and cropping 85 top and bottom.

What makes things complicated is I'm not sure whether handbrake crops the source and then resamples or crops the resampled image, which is why I suggest experimentation.

May 28, 2008 10:22 AM in response to Winston Churchill

Winston, can you tell me why the DVD displays in 16:9 ? I understand what you say, but doing that, will cut much of the image. I prefer to squeeze. If you say so, than many of my videos are squeezed, but I don't see them like that.
The videos are proportional.

And is not only the DVD's, even the VHS displays widescreen. Only apple TV makes things a lot complicated.

Message was edited by: Pedro Santos

Message was edited by: Pedro Santos

May 28, 2008 1:26 PM in response to Winston Churchill

Winston Churchill wrote:
If you don't mind it squashed then I'd stick with it the way you like it.


Sometimes what you're not aware of doesn't bother you - so I'm trying to desist from describing the effects of the distortion for fear of Pedro suddely realising things look wrong on all his 'proportional' content. I shall have to remember that I'm not at all short and fat but just perfectly proportional...positive thinking...

AC

May 28, 2008 5:45 PM in response to Alley_Cat

Hehe, well you can tell me all the bad effects. You are the technician.
In this cases we have 3 options:
Or stick with the sidebars, or zoom in, or stretch.
Even before I read your posts, I always prefer the last option.
Winston knows how I struggle with Apple tv to stretch the movie.
I hate sidebars with a small square image in the center, and cutting off crucial parts of the movie is other.
So streching is the last and only possible option. Winston say is squashed, well in theory he is right.
But you are in a widescreen, you have to see stretched movies sometimes.
Even Sony Bravia has one stretching setting, if you like it.

Maybe I see some stretch sometimes has you say, but nothing out of this world comparing with cutting off chunks of the movie.

Message was edited by: Pedro Santos

Message was edited by: Pedro Santos

Resolution 720x576 (4:3) = 1024x576 (16:9) ?

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