How can I remove Page Break Views?

There is no workaround.

Pages as every Apple tool taking care of "Apple Human Interface Guidelines" work this way.
We have to live with it or leave it.

From my point of view, it's a good design but you may think different 😉

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE lundi 2 juin 2008 11:10:20)

Hello Chris

I had exactly the same thoughts about this.

I really wanted to use Pages 08 for everything but I simply could not live with this perpetual waste of space. Especially on my fairly small MacBook screen.

I understand what Yvan KOENIG is saying but, with respect, that simply does not make sense to me.

It is NOT up to Apple to assume that everything I want to write in Pages will end up being printed. Whatever justification is given, it is simply a deliberate feature omission.

As much I hated to admit it, I wanted the “normal” view that Microsoft Word gave me (sometimes known as “toilet-paper” view). So I purchased Office 2008 and have never looked back. I can now use the entire screen for the document, at any magnification I like (currently using 275% with word wrap on – fantastic).

I am not having a go at Apple products in general; I use many of them: iDVD, iMovie, Logic Pro and so on.

BUT I have yet to see a decent justification for assuming we will always want to view our Pages documents in print view. I can't think of any other editor that forces this on the user.

I have requested this as a new feature to Apple several months ago.

Regards to all

tyronehowe wrote:
I understand what Yvan KOENIG is saying but, with respect, that simply does not make sense to me.

My old friend AppleWorks work with separated pages since 1991 and it seems that it is OK for its users.
Pages is a component of the AppleWorks successor so it seems logical that its designers made the same choice.

You wrote:

Whatever justification is given, it is simply a deliberate feature omission.

Sure it is a deliberate choice.
As always, the engineers apply this chapter of the Human Interface Guidelines

+Apply the 80 Percent Solution+

+During the design process, if you discover problems with your product design, you might consider applying the 80 percent solution—that is, designing your software to meet the needs of at least 80 percent of your users. This type of design typically favors simpler, more elegant approaches to problems.+

+If you try to design for the 20 percent of your target audience who are power users, your design may not be usable by the other 80 percent of users. Even though that smaller group of power users is likely to have good ideas for features, the majority of your user base may not think in the same way. Involving a broad range of users in your design process can help you find the 80 percent solution.+

I assumes that you are in the 20% dropped.

You wrote:

As much I hated to admit it, I wanted the “normal” view that Microsoft Word gave me (sometimes known as “toilet-paper” view).

Now I know why I dislike this view: I never write on "toilet-paper" 😉

If you are really annoyed with the choices made by Apple, you may build your own template.
It requires a few seconds to define one with these settings:



You wrote:

I have requested this as a new feature to Apple several months ago.

Then, cross your fingers, and wait _at least_ for iWork'09 😉

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE jeudi 5 juin 2008 20:15:03)

Hello Yvan KOENIG

You wrote:
My old friend AppleWorks work with separated pages since 1991 and it seems that it is OK for its users.
Pages is a component of the AppleWorks successor so it seems logical that its designers made the same choice.

Good point – I didn’t know that. Even so, it seems reasonable that a modern word processor should give the user the choice.

You wrote:
Sure it is a deliberate choice.
As always, the engineers apply this chapter of the Human Interface Guidelines

That might well be true, although I have seen quite a few comments on the Net complaining about this. The thing is, from a programming point of view, it is not a big deal to add this choice.

You wrote:
If you are really annoyed with the choices made by Apple, you may build your own template.
It requires a few seconds to define one with these settings:

Thank you – I hadn’t tried that before. Yes it does kind of solve the problem except that you still get the page breaks shown. This also reminds of my other problem with Pages – the non-smooth scrolling. As you scroll down with the arrow key the cursor keeps jumping from the bottom of the screen to the middle and so on. Very hard to follow it visually.

And my point really is that the on-screen view of a document does NOT have to be the same as the printed page. That’s the point of using a computer for this. In Logic, you don’t have to use musical notation, in iMovie you don’t have to edit in a linear fashion and so on. The difference between the on-screen view and the printed page is fundamental. When you print in iCal, for example, you don’t always have to edit the calendars using the same view as you print.

Anyway, perhaps we can agree to respectfully disagree. 🙂

All the best

Select all the text in your document. In the Text inspector, under the Pagination & Break section, there is a checkbox labeled "Keep lines together". This keeps a sentence from spanning 2 pages.

Now, for my problem. I work on very large documents. When I type in my large documents, the position of the text I am writing jumps up and down on the screen, which is nearly giving me a seizure at this point. I have disabled all the Pagination and Break functions for the document and this behavior persists. How do I make it stop!?

Switch to either *iText Express 3.1* (free} or *iText Pro '08* (US$15).

Both will do what you want and are superb word processors that will even do some DTP along with an enormous amount of other tasks.

I just discover your message.

As far as I know, the program designers are free to insert this or that feature.

They study a panel of users, they read the feedback, BUT they are free to make their choices.
When I worked as a potter I never accepted to change a product on customer's request. So I'm respectful of intellectual freedom and will never write that the product's designers MUST add a feature.

We may ask them to add one but from my point of view this is the frontier between our rights and theirs.

If you wish to type 'kilometers o text', your machine is delivered with a tool named TextEdit.
One task, one tool.

TextEdit is a good tool for the raw text.
If you want something between Textedit and Pages, you may do like me: for long texts, I starts with the free Bean (which is internalionalized again) and when the text is OK, I copy paste in Pages to refine the presentation.

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE mercredi 3 septembre 2008 22:13:20)

It is a solution and I get nothing out of it except putting another human being out of their misery.

Both these apps do exactly what the O.P. wants and a lot more.

I do not buy the line that a moderately good, cheap DTP program like Pages actually is a good Word Processor.

Well making a switch is entirely dependent on one main factor. I started using pages because when exporting a document to word format, formatting does not get screwed up, which is the issue that forced me to abandon NeoOffice, which is both awesome AND free, though I did contribute. This feature saves my XP coworkers hours of lost productivity fixing format and numbering issues resulting from the transfer. I'll test them out when I don't have a deadline to deal with, and report back on the interoperability that means so much to those of us that work on documents collaboratively.

That's not a solution, it's a sales pitch.