PowerMac G5 DP CPU temps?

Hello all,

I am curious to get some feedback in regards to CPU temperature of the PowerMac G5s out there and whether or not I have an issue with my machine and should take it in to the Apple Store.

I have my processor performance set to 'Highest' to minimize the fans going into overdrive (aka 'takeoff mode!").

At idle, my CPU temps read:

CPU A: 57.2/135.0 (ºC/ºF)
CPU B: 69.6/156.2 (ºC/ºF)

However, if I start taxing the system they jump up considerably, and there is an even greater gap between CPU B's temp over CPU A.

These are the extremes I have gotten when running the processors at 100%:

CPU A: 64.4/148.0 (ºC/ºF)
CPU B: 88.7/191.7 (ºC/ºF)

As you see, it jumped from 12ºC warmer up to 24ºC. Is this a serious issue to worry about? I have cleaned out the case and checked for any coolant leaks of which there are none visible. From other research online, it seems normal for the temps to be off +/-5ºC, usually with A being warmer than B.

Would a Thermal Re-calibration at the Genius Bar help things? I would just like to check others experiences and see if this is something I should pay closer attention to and in more detail.

PowerMac G5 Dual 2.5GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.3), ATI Radeon 9800 Pro 256MB, 4GB RAM

Posted on Jun 26, 2008 8:17 PM

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Jun 26, 2008 9:23 PM in response to Joe Scheiman

Hi Joe,

My experience has been that CPU A runs hotter than CPU B. Right now A is at 60ºC and B 56ºC. I run at Reduced to eliminate loud fan noise but I don't think it's the noise you have. Mine is more a loud wailing that ramps up and down depending on how hard the processor works and the resultant heat increase.
I would say your temps, B hotter than A, are unusual but I don't know if it necessarily indicates a problem. Certainly your temps are within specs, an apple tech told me they could go as high as 105ºC before the machine shuts down.
That your fans go into take off mode on other power settings may say something but I don't know what.
It's a major pain to drag these things into an Apple Store (get a cart of some kind), but for your peace of mind and being a reasonable thing to do it seems a good idea to have a genius test it out. Don't be surprised though if he or she finds nothing wrong. I went through the thermal test and a bunch of other tests when I brought mine in to check out my fan noise. The tests didn't show anything wrong and the tech, though really knowledgeable, couldn't figure out the problem.
Sometimes I wonder if Jobs phased in planned obsolescence beginning with our line. I've never had a more problematic Mac.

Best of luck to you. Please write back and tell us how things work out.

Jun 27, 2008 1:54 AM in response to Joe Scheiman

Hi Joe Scheiman-

That is an unusual spread. Generally, if one processor is going to heat up more than the other it is A.

It could be something like a heat sink that isn't seated properly or bad thermal paste.

I have found it better to vacuum out my G5 as opposed to blowing it out with a can of air. Dust bunnies get wedged in some pretty tight spots and perhaps one is causing you problems.

A trip to the genius bar may be in order.

Luck-

-Dp

ps Flying into Columbus this afternoon to visit my first grandson, whom I've yet to meet User uploaded file

Jun 27, 2008 9:00 AM in response to Joe Scheiman

Thanks to both of you. I may have to try and schedule a visit to the local Apple store (even if it is 40 miles away!) and see if they can run some test on it or re-calibrate things. Is there a charge for re-calibration? I am out of my warranty by 2 months now as it just started acting up recently with the fans.

Does anyone know also if there is a way to get the plastic shield with the G5 on it that covers the liquid cooling system and processors off? I'd like to be able to look inside there and see if there is any sizable amount of dust. I have pried at it a little but does not just pop out and I am afraid to break anything in there!

Congrats on the grand baby DP. Enjoy your trip to Columbus!

Jun 27, 2008 9:27 AM in response to Joe Scheiman

Hi, Joe,

The "Genius" is a free service (yay!), you just have to set up an appointment first.

Yes, you can take off that cover. You have to take up (pry) that little grey peg on the top but first go under it with a razor blade and then reach into the hole with a fishhook kind of implement, I used a small bent paper clip that i twisted the end with pliers. Then the case slides to one side and up.

You could email me at this address, No5MkI@gmail.com. I have an Apple Service Manual in PDF form of about 20 something megs that I can upload and then you can download. Hope you have decent bandwidth though. It's an excellent source of info and describes the procedure.

PS Save the two gray pieces, they keep the cover from sliding around

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Jun 30, 2008 5:44 PM in response to Joe Scheiman

OK, here are the latest details. Took it into the Apple Store tonight. After having explained the issues and the many solutions I have tried as well as the AHT error code (2STH/1/2:CPU B AD7417AD1) that I had gotten, they told me CPU B is going.

They did not run any diagnostics as it would have yielded the same results I had already gotten. Also, they told me a thermal re-calibration would do no good. At the least they saved me the $85 charge to run a diagnostics test.

The cost of parts and labor if I want to get it repaired - $1,072.00

So, I have decided I am going to part ways with the machine as I worry it will only happen again in the future. This is the second time since I have owned the machine, the CPU has gone bad. There are no leaks from the liquid cooling system which is good. Too bad I'm two months outside my AppleCare and there is nothing else I can do.

Now, a new question in regards to a new machine. As a graphic designer, could I get away with a nice new 24" iMac 3.06GHz or am I best to stay in a toper and go with a bottom of the line MacPro?

Cost is an issue here as I really counted on having this machine a couple more years and just recently upgraded it to 4GB RAM. I also have an upgraded graphics card. I realize you can max out the iMac to 4GB, but can you easily swap out the graphics card or even put in a larger HD if wanted?

Thanks for all your help with this. I am really disappointed this is the end result. I really like this machine and am amazed for a top of the line product to have this many issues with it.

Jun 30, 2008 8:05 PM in response to Joe Scheiman

A quick look around and I found two pages that may offer an alternative to a new machine: http://www.dttservice.com/appledesktops/powermacg5.html#pmg5%20logic
and http://www.dvwarehouse.com/Power-Mac-G5-Processor-c-253238_4691434.html.

As a Graphics Designer do you use a CRT Monitor? I believe they are still the choice of professionals as far as color accuracy is concerned. Of course iMacs have LCDs.

I don't think iMacs are as upgradeable as the towers without a lot more stuff hanging off it. I may be wrong.

I'm a dedicated PowerMac Head. They just feel good. You could still buy a used G5 in your line and get quite a bit of time out of it using components you already have. This company, http://www.mac-pro.com/ sells used Macs with a thirty day guarantee that can be extended with a third party vendor.

On the other hand a new Mac Pro would have you facing the future as Apple discards the things from its past, meaning us. Buy a new Mac now for around 3 grand and figure in another 3 years you'll have to do the same.

Edit: If a mac genius was going to charge you for the calibration test or any others he was going to rip you off. My local one did every test he could think of for free.

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Jul 1, 2008 7:42 AM in response to DaddyPaycheck

I assume it is possible. Whether or not if it just dies and the computer will still operate on one processor, I have no idea. Not sure if you have to physically remove the CPU or not. I guess I'd rather not go the process as I've had plenty of issues with this machine that I'd rather not try to keep things afloat at this point. It may last another 2-3 years, there's no way to tell when things will just give out.

Jul 1, 2008 8:04 AM in response to Joe Scheiman

Well, I assume your ready to cash in. If the iMac is used by others designers all well and good, but not being one I don't know. Maybe post on that query only and you'll get other designers responses.

If you're looking for a Mac Pro I always use this source to see what the prices are hovering around. Have always got my new macs from here also. http://www.macmall.com/macmall/families/macpro/
Pricey, but at least you get the option of spending entirely too much money for extended Applecare. I don't think any of your Os 9 apps will work anymore but you'll still have the G5 around.

Welcome back, Grand Papa 🙂 hopefully he didn't look like you 😉

Jul 1, 2008 8:08 AM in response to Samsara

Thank you for the links. It does seem like it's going to run a minimum of $800 just for the processor anywhere I look. What worries me about that is still having the liquid cooled system and the many issues I have be reading about lately with them.

As a designer, actually I have had LCD monitors for over 4 years now at every job I have had. I also use an LCD at home. I actually prefer them. I know there are color differences, but they have come such a long way that I'd hate to go back to a CRT again, so big and bulky. Again, this is just my personal preference.

I do love my PowerMac which why I am disappointed with the issues I've had with it. Not little issues either, the most expensive issues. Plus, with the new OS Snow Leopard possibly dropping the PowerPC line, I'd rather be looking ahead versus treading water with another used PowerMac, even if I could save and reuse all the extras I've put into it.

The more research I do, the more I am leaning towards the iMac 3.06GHz model and max it out to 4GB with aftermarket RAM. As long as I can get 1-2 working years out of it, I can then hand it down to my wife and then make another serious investment into a new MacPro.

I know you can't expand the iMac, other than adding more RAM, possibly putting in a larger HD. Although I have a 160GB in my G5 that I use maybe half of. I also have a LaCie 250GB external where I store most all of my things, so a 500GB internal on the iMac would be plenty for me right now.

As she is a very basic user (internet, music, word processing, etc.) she would still have plenty of computer after it being only 2 years old. She uses my 6 year old Ti PowerBook G4 now and it suits her just fine. (+mini rant here+...how is it my laptop which has traveled many miles has lasted twice as long as my more expensive chained to a desk in a controlled environment machine!?)

As she is finishing school working on her RN degree, I think the iMac is the best case scenario for now (very limited budget) and then when we can save up the extra cash, I'll just get a whole new system. Plus I'll be able to use her to get a student discount and save a few bucks and get a free iPod touch!

As for the Mac Genius, he told me it would cost $85 to run diagnostics as I was out of warranty. He ended up not running any as he told me based on everything I had done and the results I had gotten from my own hardware test, it would only indicate the same results there and doing the re-calibration would not fix anything.

Jul 1, 2008 8:12 AM in response to Joe Scheiman

You can disable one cpu in Open Firmware to limp along.

Apple Store Specials has Mac Pro 2007 models for $1999 though I would skip on that and get 2008, but still save a good deal.

Maybe part out the RAM and graphics if needed, though RAM is cheap nowadays. A Mac Pro can be outfitted with some decent graphics cards, currently three models are available. Plus the flexibility of 4 internal hard drives.

Jul 1, 2008 8:25 AM in response to Joe Scheiman

Cool, so you're almost all set to go then. Since you can still add peripherals to the imac and you prefer LCDs it seems a smart decision. And yes, the idea of Snow Leopard leaving us G5 owners behind is pretty uncomfortable.

Edit: That Genius was not doing his job right. It should have cost nothing. If you want to vent some of your PowerMac frustrations give Apple HQ a call and rant to high heavens.

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