Windows machine turns files into 'archive' files?

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Windows machine turns files into 'archive' files?

I have had a great time with my leopard server upgrade, well, that is untill 10.5.3, and we all know what a mess that was....but now that that error is fixed im back to being almost happy again. Here's my problem.....

when my one and only PC on the network logs in and does its work it needs to do. for some reason, when it moves files from one folder to another.....it turns it into an 'archive' file on the PC and canot be used again, untill you go into the properties, and un-click 'archive' then its accessable again. is there anything permissions wise that i can do to make this not happen? its more just inconvenient to ALYWAYS have to go and un-click archive every time i move a file with the PC. is there something i'm missing? can anyone help me out with this? thanks!!

Power Mac G5, Mac OS X (10.5.4), Leopard Server

Posted on Jul 3, 2008 3:51 PM

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Joe_Shmo

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Jul 4, 2008 9:19 PM in response to scooned

welcome to my world. This is a huge problem and you are not the only one experiencing it

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Jul 5, 2008 3:45 AM in response to scooned

Hi

I'm not sure why you are posting here as surely its a Windows problem? Leastways I can't think of anything Server side that could cause this to happen? Of course no-one knows excepot you just exactly how your server is configured? Perhaps you've installed some 3rd-Party software on the server that is misbehaving?

Failing that have you considered posting on the Microsoft Forums?

Tony

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scooned Author

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Jul 5, 2008 10:07 AM in response to Antonio Rocco

Well, the reason i posted here is because it does have something to do with my MAC Leopard OSX Server that is doing this. Cause before, when i had Tiger Server my windows machine was able to do this exact same task (move files from one folder to another) and it had no problem. Now that i have Leopar Server it is changng the files into archive files. Thats why. it has nothing to do with windows, its the way Leopard Server is interpreting the move that a windows machine makes to another folder.

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MrHoffman

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Jul 5, 2008 10:54 AM in response to scooned

Windows is moving the file here. Not your Mac.

Windows is choosing to archive the file here, possibly due to something in how you're dragging the file, or in how Windows and Mac are communicating about the share, or in how the Windows box is configured. Your Mac is not archiving the file.

Put simply, your Mac serves up the disk blocks, and Windows chooses what to do with them, and what to write in the blocks.

Perform a Windows Get Info on the archive file, as there are various different archive formats. Post up the particular archive format. Zip? Something else?

Also determine how the Share is mounted, and how the protections are set.

Do determine the default action set for dragging and dropping on Windows box.

And try a Windows Copy via the alternate-button popup menu, then a Windows Paste.

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scooned Author

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Jul 5, 2008 6:01 PM in response to MrHoffman

Thanks for the info, i have done the research you asked of me and heres my report.....

its not a perticular type of 'archiving' file, its actually in the properties menu and it clicks 'archive' there. if i unclick it the file is then fine, but am just trying to determine why its actually being checked in the first place.

it does not happen on a cut or copy and paste of the same file. ONLY if it is dragged and dropped.
So, for instance, if i drag and drop a file from one folder to another, then if i just try to click on it, it says "could not complete your request because the file is locked. please use the 'properties' command, to unlock the file.' So i then go into properties, and then have to un-click 'archive' and then the file becomes useable again.

How do i determine the default action set for dragging ad dropping, i do not know how to do that. please advise.

Thank you for your help MrHoffman. I really appreciate it!

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MrHoffman

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Jul 6, 2008 10:15 AM in response to scooned

Ok, so this isn't centrally an archive file such as a zip archive, this is a file marked for archiving based on the archive bit set in the directory entry structure; it's a flag bit set in the FAT DIRENT structure, or whatever the analog is in NTFS or whatever you're using here. Ok.

The archive bit means the file was modified or copied or such, and thus needs to be archived.

That's bog-standard Windows practice for most of these sorts of transfers, AFAIK. This file needs to be archived in its new home.

I'd suggest asking this question over in a Microsoft Windows forum. You might get further with Windows file and file system questions with a more Windows-centric audience.

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plochner

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Jul 7, 2008 9:32 AM in response to scooned

I notice this as well, but it has not effected my file serving experience. I have a share on my Leopard Xserve called Temp. Inside that share, I create a folder called Public.

If I connect via XP to Temp, I'll add a file called foo.txt. In Windows, I'll right click on it, and note that it's Archive bit is unchecked. I drag and drop it into the Public folder, and it's Archive bit is then re-checked.

However this does not interfere with my ability to do anything to that file. I can open it, edit it, rename it, etc.

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scooned Author

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Jul 7, 2008 1:45 PM in response to plochner

no i agree, its not that i cannot work on it once its un-checked. its just im trying to find out what the problem is, and why its doing it. WHY does the archive box in the properties folder get checked when, and only when the files is 'dragged and dropped' into another folder? its more the annoyance of the 'extra work' to go and do it than anything else, there must be an explanation for it somewhere!

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Joe_Shmo

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Jul 7, 2008 7:55 PM in response to MrHoffman

This isn't a windows problem. It's a problem with how the SMB service on the mac server is handling the move between folders. Once the file is moved, it becomes no access for anyone one the windows or mac network until you uncheck the archive box in properties. This turns in to a pain in the butt when you have a user that moves a directory and everything under that directory becomes no access until you fix the files one by one

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scooned Author

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Jul 7, 2008 10:40 PM in response to Joe_Shmo

yes, I agree.....because it did not have this problem when i was on Tiger Server, the windows machine could drag and drop all over and there was no issue. now that i am on Leopard server it has this problem. as i stated before, it just does it when dragging and dropping, if i cut and paste, works fine, if i copy and paste, it works fine, ONLY if its dragged and dropped does it lock up as an archive file.

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MrHoffman

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Jul 8, 2008 1:37 PM in response to Joe_Shmo

Ok. Did a little digging.

Something to try....

Assuming there's no Server Admin command-level interface or knob for this, then launch Terminal.app, save a copy of and then aim vi or pico at the file:

/etc/smb.conf

Use the following for details of the syntax:

man smb.conf

To see what's in the current file:

cat /etc/smb.conf

and try the following change to the file:

set map archive = no

Off-hand, I don't know which section ([data],[home],[global], etc) this line needs to reside in.

You'll probably want to restart the Samba server.

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Joe_Shmo

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Jul 8, 2008 7:55 PM in response to MrHoffman

great suggestion, I wish I didn't have to wait until friday to try this out. thanks

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