I know when I use CDex/LAME, I have more advanced options for VBR, like a top and bottom rate.
After doing some "Google" searches on VBR to try & improve my understanding of what it does, I would like to make sure I understand how it works. To use my own importing options, AAC @ 256kbps, VBR means that the lowest, minimum bitrate that will be used during any portion of a song file being imported would be 256? So during very quiet sections of the song the lowest bitrate would be 256. Also, during more complicated portions of the songs a higher bitrate would be used, but how high is high?
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If my basic understanding is ocrrect, the <256> is an average.
I know when I use CDex/LAME, I have more advanced options for VBR, like a top and bottom rate.
I know when I use CDex/LAME, I have more advanced options for VBR, like a top and bottom rate.
Thanks, Hudgie. So being an average, at some points bitrate may be lower than 256 or higher, correct??
Yes, again according to the way I understand it. I'll Google it for more info.
Hi Deb & Hudgie
Just downloaded the new 5.0 - wow, I really like the cool new look, and the fact that it now supports VBR encoding.
However,,,,,I can't get it to work!.
I import my CD's in AAC format @160kb with the VBR option checked. But when finished importing, the files are just regular 160kb/s .? (Tested this several times)
Very strange...
Have you guys tested the VBR option yet?
Just downloaded the new 5.0 - wow, I really like the cool new look, and the fact that it now supports VBR encoding.
However,,,,,I can't get it to work!.
I import my CD's in AAC format @160kb with the VBR option checked. But when finished importing, the files are just regular 160kb/s .? (Tested this several times)
Very strange...
Have you guys tested the VBR option yet?
Hi, Thomas, we haven't chatted in a bit. I will have to say that any experimenting I would like to do with the VBR option is on hold for the time being until "bugs" in my 5.0 install are worked out.
Ideally VBR means constant quality, varying bitrate. Where as CBR means variable quality, constant bitrate.
It seems to me that the VBR implimentation added to iTunes 5 is currently very limited in the amount of fluctuation allowable in a file. In theory VBR should allow variation between the full range of bitrate options. However when using my nominal 160K VBR setting, I am yet to encode a file that has finished larger than 170K. Also, very few of the files are lower than 160K. Suggesting that the current VBR routines are biased in favour of increasing, rather than decreasing the file size. Yet as I stated, the increases are only very slight.
I have a feeling that Apple is concerned that the iPod shuffle, and possibly the mini will be unable to correctly playback VBR files with large fluctuations. The mini has shown to have trouble with certain VBR mp3 files, and the shuffle has been shown to have problems with VBR AAC files made using other encoders. So it seems that Apple has constrained the operation of the VBR encoder so that problems are not caused on those models. I consider this unfortunate, because VBR is the most efficient encoding option for people that want constant quality, instead of a constant bitrate.
It seems to me that the VBR implimentation added to iTunes 5 is currently very limited in the amount of fluctuation allowable in a file. In theory VBR should allow variation between the full range of bitrate options. However when using my nominal 160K VBR setting, I am yet to encode a file that has finished larger than 170K. Also, very few of the files are lower than 160K. Suggesting that the current VBR routines are biased in favour of increasing, rather than decreasing the file size. Yet as I stated, the increases are only very slight.
I have a feeling that Apple is concerned that the iPod shuffle, and possibly the mini will be unable to correctly playback VBR files with large fluctuations. The mini has shown to have trouble with certain VBR mp3 files, and the shuffle has been shown to have problems with VBR AAC files made using other encoders. So it seems that Apple has constrained the operation of the VBR encoder so that problems are not caused on those models. I consider this unfortunate, because VBR is the most efficient encoding option for people that want constant quality, instead of a constant bitrate.
Hi Deb, Sorry to hear about your bugs. I hope they are soon gone.
Hi Simon
Thanks very much for this info. This explains the situation of the un-noticable changes in the 160kb VBR encodings.
At least It's a step in the right direction.
Thanks very much for this info. This explains the situation of the un-noticable changes in the 160kb VBR encodings.
At least It's a step in the right direction.
Hi, Thomas!
I have just completed converting my initial Library of Lossless files to the new AAC/256/VBR format. Like you, I found no indication that it was really VBR, other than in the Import settings of my Preferences. All I am left to do is assume that I have some type of VBR format. If it gets better in the future, I'll just re-convert the underlying Lossless files....again. 🙂
Everything has gone well in the whole revision of my music Library (to both Lossless & Lossy) other than the need for a larger Laptop HD. I have a faster, 100GB unit on the way. The next limitation will be the smallest of my ExHDs once the Lossless files exceed that unit - which should happen with about 84 more hours of music.
Thanks again for all your original assistance with formulating my strategy. Seems to be the best compromise of quality and space -- no compromise! 🙂
I have just completed converting my initial Library of Lossless files to the new AAC/256/VBR format. Like you, I found no indication that it was really VBR, other than in the Import settings of my Preferences. All I am left to do is assume that I have some type of VBR format. If it gets better in the future, I'll just re-convert the underlying Lossless files....again. 🙂
Everything has gone well in the whole revision of my music Library (to both Lossless & Lossy) other than the need for a larger Laptop HD. I have a faster, 100GB unit on the way. The next limitation will be the smallest of my ExHDs once the Lossless files exceed that unit - which should happen with about 84 more hours of music.
Thanks again for all your original assistance with formulating my strategy. Seems to be the best compromise of quality and space -- no compromise! 🙂
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