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35mm scan images for Aperture

This is off topic but I know lots of Aperture users are also 35mm users.

I want to scan and import into my library, all my 35mm slide library.
Looking at the Nikon 5000 ED or the Powerslide 3650 to do batch images.
The Nikon scores well in research but with the cost of a batch feeder is very expensive.
Cant seem to get any feedback on the Powerslide scan results, but seems to have a good batch
feeder. Much more realistic price tho

Any users out there care to pass on any feedback? Is the Nikon streets ahead etc? ..or what

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Posted on Aug 4, 2008 6:51 PM

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Posted on Aug 4, 2008 8:50 PM

Scanning is very slow, so to be feasible for large slide volumes you do need to batch scan. Even then be aware that it is a very slow process, slow enough that I shoot (fast, Nikon D2x 105mm macro) copy shots of slides on a light table jig for image databasing purposes. Only if I sell specific work do I go to the effort of high resolution (Nikon 8000ED) slide scanning.

The 5000ED with batch loader is excellent. I am unfamiliar with the Powerslide, but my guess is that like always you get what you pay for...

Good luck!

-Allen Wicks
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Aug 4, 2008 8:50 PM in response to robbinewmanphoto

Scanning is very slow, so to be feasible for large slide volumes you do need to batch scan. Even then be aware that it is a very slow process, slow enough that I shoot (fast, Nikon D2x 105mm macro) copy shots of slides on a light table jig for image databasing purposes. Only if I sell specific work do I go to the effort of high resolution (Nikon 8000ED) slide scanning.

The 5000ED with batch loader is excellent. I am unfamiliar with the Powerslide, but my guess is that like always you get what you pay for...

Good luck!

-Allen Wicks

Aug 5, 2008 2:59 PM in response to robbinewmanphoto

Hi, just like to chip in with my positives for the Nikon Coolscans. I always feel like a shill when doing this, but they're great at what they do.

At my job I use a Coolscan 9000 and we also have a 5000, both excellent scanners. The only reason for going with the 9000 is that I have to scan medium format film, up to 6x17.
In the 18 months we have had the 9000, I have put over 3500 scans through it (80% 35mm). The results are amazing, but it's up to you to produce those results, you cannot rely on post-scan in Aperture only to fix underexposure etc.

The 5000 produces the same quality from 35mm and the bulk loader is handy. The only caveat to this is that the mounts need to be of similar thickness with no labels half peeling off etc, otherwise it will jam, not jam and ruin the film, just get stuck.

The amount that can be done per day all depends on how much adjustment the film needs pre and post, but with ideal circumstances I can get around 100 35mm 4000ppi scans done in an 8 hour day, this means that they're scanned, corrected, output as lowres and archived, this is on the 9000, it may be more on the 5000.

The scans we produce are used in a wide variety of formats, from the web to A1 posters.
If your images are valuable and you have the time, scanning yourself (or delegating to someone you trust) would be a much better option than sending to an outside service provider.

Scanning can seem tedious, but the satisfaction of rescuing a degraded piece of film is well worth the effort.

cheers,
Greg.

Aug 5, 2008 9:56 PM in response to William Lloyd

William Lloyd wrote:
I can't say for sure. What I can say is if you're going to scan them, you should use the Nikon scanner or you should sub out the work (who will use the Nikon scanner).

The Nikon scanner really is very, very good. I'd say, it's not really worth looking for alternatives, unless you wanted to go for a drum or Imacon scanner.


Yep....seems to be conclusive!

Aug 6, 2008 4:24 AM in response to robbinewmanphoto

a little more info for you.

1. if you're scanning negative film, you'll get better batch scanning success with the slide adapter. we tried the film roll adapter but the software was not able to accurately determine the edges of the frames. with the slide adapter (and mounting all of the negatives as if they were slides), that edge determination problem went away and we can now begin a scan of 50 frames with confidence.

2. I use SilverFast. it's excellent software with options that will really help you to get the most out of your film. we typically scan using multi-scan 4x or better for greater dynamic range. SilverFast is also compatible with Leopard (although I haven't tested it fully yet), which brings me to the next point.

3. Nikon is giving up on the Mac market as far as scanners go. Much of their software has not been and will not be updated for Leopard or Intel. scanning professionals are advising people to look at other alternatives. many of the bed scanners with transparency functionality are now very good, offering excellent focus and excellent dynamic range, and templates/software that allow you to scan multiple strips at the same time.

4. SilverFast offers JPEG2000 compression, and Leopard/Aperture is now compatible with JPEG2000 which is an option if you want the best possible compression while retaining image quality.

I probably have a few more tips but they've escaped me for the moment ;–)

cheers,
Gregory

Aug 6, 2008 2:48 PM in response to Gregory Rivers

Gregory Rivers wrote:
a little more info for you.

3. Nikon is giving up on the Mac market as far as scanners go. Much of their software has not been and will not be updated for Leopard or Intel. scanning professionals are advising people to look at other alternatives. many of the bed scanners with transparency functionality are now very good, offering excellent focus and excellent dynamic range, and templates/software that allow you to scan multiple strips at the same time.

I probably have a few more tips but they've escaped me for the moment ;–)

cheers,
Gregory


WOW Greg....thanks for that info...now Im really scared!!!!.....how could Nikon give up on Mac? Im sure its 90% of their pro market? I suspect its just pro scanners they are dropping as film is history.
Its also like Kodak who gave up the pro camera market as the market share is too small.

So what now? Flatbed vs Nikon for quality? Anyone seen a review of the top flatbed that would compare?

Cheers
Robbi

Aug 6, 2008 6:25 PM in response to robbinewmanphoto

so that I'm not causing unnecessary panic, I double-checked via the Nikon support site.

Nikon Scan 4.0.2 is the current version. the 4.0.2 updater on my Mac is dated 9 April 2004!

so yes, I was generally correct in my statement. note though that I'm referring to Nikon's scanners, not their cameras, etc.

for a long time, SilverFast were forced by license to use the Nikon Scanner MAID libraries. I discovered at least one bug in that library which prevented use of the slide adapter under OS X/Intel. that bug was never fixed. fortunately, Nikon has stated its intention to give up scanning support, and SilverFast is no longer required to use the MAID libraries. they now have their own code (which I might test today if I can push myself to get the 4000ED out of the drawer).

cheers,
Gregory



SilverFast's announcement regarding Nikon Scanner support in Leopard.
Nikon's announcement to no longer support its scanners on the Mac.

Aug 6, 2008 11:47 PM in response to robbinewmanphoto

it looks pretty good. and I'd be glad to know that it supports FireWire because more and more scanners don't support FireWire which I prefer over USB.

and SilverFast supports it, although it apparently runs under Rosetta. there's a demo just in case you want to give it a try ;–) that D4.0 range will become even larger.

cheers,
Gregory

35mm scan images for Aperture

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