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Black Screen on start up, no chime, fan immediately overdrives, no response

I've got my friend's Powerbook G4 12" 1.5GHz. She said that she left it running the other night, went to bed, then in the morning the screen was blank/black, and the fan was in overdrive. I searched Apple discussions for days trying to find similar issues and/or cure. I found some similar problems, and tried a few things... I tried to reset the PMU, to no avail. I tried booting from the install disc, but it just does the same thing every time: Black screen, fast/loud fan.

I've seen some responses in similar threads say that it could be a logic board issue, perhaps it's completely shot for some reason.

I even (out of pure curiosity and a strange fascination for taking things apart) partially disassembled the PowerBook (using a guide from PowerbookMedic.com) to see if there was anything loose, or any connectors out, or whatever. Reassembled it, and still the same problem.

Any ideas? Or does anyone want to confirm that it IS indeed a bad logic board?

MacBook Pro 2.4 GHz, Mac OS X (10.4.9)

Posted on Aug 17, 2008 3:23 PM

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Aug 19, 2008 7:39 AM in response to S.U.

Tried to reset the parameter RAM, but didn't make a difference. I also tried booting to Open Firmware to reset the PRAM that way, but still can't even get to Open Firmware.
I keep getting the same result... black screen on start up, no boot chime, fan overdrives, no response

I also:
- Tried reseating RAM: same result (black screen on start up, no boot chime, fan overdrives, no response)
- Tried starting up without RAM: no RAM tone indicator
- Tried disconnecting the battery and power source and hitting power button to discharge everything, then replaced everything: same result (black screen on start up, no boot chime, fan overdrives, no response)

Any other suggestions? I'll try them all before I buy a new logic board--if I even go that far...

Aug 20, 2008 4:00 PM in response to jorwesflow

Sorry, I can't really think of anything else to try. I assume you have done all the obvious things like disconnecting all peripherals and maybe removing the battery and seeing if it will boot up just on the power adaptor. The fact that you do get fan noise indicates that you are getting power at least to the fan. But since the PB won't boot at all even from a disc and you can't reset the PRAM or PMU and there's no startup chime at all, I am guessing that there is some sort of a hardware problem, but I do not know what it could be. It almost seems like power is just not getting where it should, but I really don't know.

About all I can do is to give you a link to another repair manual which might give you a few more insights than the one from Powerbook medic, as it does contain a troubleshooting section. I will post the index to all the manuals--you will have to navigate to the exact one for your PowerBook and download it.

http://node123.cit.geneseo.edu/~stratton/ServiceManuals/

Good luck!

Aug 23, 2008 9:22 PM in response to jorwesflow

Hi,

When you tried booting from the install disk, were you holding down the C key???

This might be a bad video card. What concerns me most is the fan. That is usually a sign that there is a process taking a huge amount of the CPU. The only way to see that information is to be able to boot the machine to the Desktop, launch either Activity Monitor or the System Profiler/Startup Items and also, if you can get it booted, the system logs are there also. They can shed light on the situation.

If you can't boot from a restore disk I think your only hope is an Apple store or Apple reseller. Using another Mac, you might be able to access the hard drive using Target Disk Mode:
Transferring files between two computers using FireWire
You can use FireWire to connect your computer to another Mac and have one of the computers appear as an external hard disk on the other computer. This is sometimes called Target Disk Mode.

To transfer files using FireWire:
Shut down the first computer and leave the second computer on.
Connect the two computers using a 6-pin to 6-pin FireWire cable. (If both computers have higher-speed FireWire 800 ports in addition to the standard FireWire 400 ports, you can use a 9-pin to 9-pin cable with the FireWire 800 ports to transfer data at higher speeds.)
Open System Preferences, click the Startup Disk, and click Target Disk Mode. (Or, start up the first computer while holding down the T key.)
A disk icon for the first computer appears on the desktop on the second computer. Drag files to and from the disk to transfer them.

When you finish, eject the first computer's disk by dragging its icon to the Trash. (While you drag, the Trash icon changes to an Eject icon.)
Push the power button on the first computer to shut it down and disconnect the FireWire cable.
If the computer to which you connect your computer is running Mac OS 9, it must have FireWire version 2.3.3 or later installed. Use Apple System Profiler (located in /Applications/Utilities) to check the version of FireWire installed. If it has an older version, get an update at the Apple FireWire website at www.apple.com/firewire.

Carolyn 🙂

Message was edited by: Carolyn Samit

Aug 23, 2008 9:29 PM in response to Carolyn Samit

yes, i was certainly holding the "c" key and unable to boot. I do believe this to be a fried logic board. the fan spazzes out because it is not getting proper information to run, so it kicks in to high RPM's by a safety default to make sure no components overheat.

I'm just going to remove the Hard Disk and buy a $40 enclosure to get the data. I've already tried target disk mode and it doesn't work.

No big deal, my friend was buying a new MBP anyway. Just would have been nice for her to have a secondary machine. Oh well.

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