Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Jan 21, 2014 3:45 AM in response to LD150

Well I had the same problems with all their products, doesn't matter whether Pro, Air, Retina, iMac all the same.

Forgot to mention that I had an external TB Display connected to one of my ex retinas and it was cruel. Guess iMac would be the same as it uses the same TB Display.


And in terms of finding a solution for us, I think this thread provides so many good hints but unfortunately Apple itself will not take care here imo because this group is too small regarding their sellings. Bad enough, maybe they will send me an iPhone Bumper if I report my issues with the macbook pro lol.


What I also forgot to mention:


Things I tried to solve my problems:


- changed colour temperature of display/room light (failed)

- changed brightness/contrast (failed)

- changed distance to screen (failed)

- changed font size und smoothing effect (failed)


What I think is the problem:


Definitely contrast. I have a real old TV here in my room and it flickers like crazy. My eyes are fine when watching TV 10 hours. BUT when I compare the contrast values of all the macbooks to my cool Vaio Laptop I see 900:1, 800:1 and 600:1 (Macbooks) to 300:1 (Vaio). Same with all other external displays I've ever used. AND it fits the feelings I get when sitting in front of a macbook: The display and words burn, burn and burn my eyes and retina deep inside. Microcontrast and contrast itself is too high for us being more sensitive to this light-output imo.

Jan 21, 2014 4:42 AM in response to tight_eye

Hi tight_eye,


could you please share your iPhone 4s first five serial number letters? They do not contain personal data, just the following:


AABCC


AA = Factory

B = Year (1=2011, 2=2012...)

CC = Calendar Week


I think this information would be vital for all of us searching for a used iPhone that's not too old but still good for our eyes.

Jan 21, 2014 7:43 AM in response to Gareth Jones6

Gareth Jones6 wrote:


Thanks Kvoth for the nudge about Strabismus prism, I have astygmatism and should really have seen an optician sooner (laziness). I struggled to do your test but presumably the optician will be able to do this for me?

Actually, opticians won't ask you to 'relax' your eyes. I had to learn to do that myself. Look at a pencil at near arm extended distance. Focus so you see it clearly. Then try to zone out... get that relaxed feeling. If you do it, you will see two of the pencil. This can show that you have a strabismus, but is by no means definitive.


I'm emphasizing this because it's important to do this technique when an optician measures you for prism -- otherwise you will be measured for the amount of strabismus you have when your eyes are straining to correct it, not your natural eye state. Does that make sense?


I'll also ask for the Crizal Prevencia. Is it expensive though?

I think it cost me 200 total for lenses? For me and Jessiah1, it was worth it.



Meanwhile, I'm looking at getting a screen filter. One person on here mentioned blue filters from sleepshield while another mentioned the 3m black privacy filters. Has anyone else got any experiences with these or ideally used both?

I've used a matte filter for my macbook air and for my iphone. I didn't notice much difference, personally.


I tried:

Moshi iVisor anti-glare screen protector

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B005SIVG48/ref=oh_details_o05_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&p sc=1


Power Suppord HD Anti-Glare films for iphone 5

http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B009G8GYBQ/ref=oh_details_o06_s00_i00?ie=UTF8&p sc=1

Jan 21, 2014 8:43 AM in response to RMartin111

For myself I finally ordered today a standard oldschool bricklike Macbook Pro 13 without Retina and anything. I was in a local retail store and maybe have found out that I cannot use the Air, cannot use Retinas, but the MB Pro with its 1200x800 crappy resolution seemed not to hurt my eyes. I'm not sure why this machine could be okay for me, contrast is on par with the Air, but resolution isn't obviously.


Has anyone of you experienced the same? I mean being able to work with the Pro and not having eyestrain or someting?


If interested I'll post my personal results und observations with the new machine. Should arrive within next few days.

Jan 21, 2014 9:45 AM in response to tight_eye

@tight_eye: Just a few observations. I've recently dual-booted my new Macbook to run Ubuntu Linux too, and I find a very significant difference between them. Both cause eyestrain, but Ubuntu causes much less eyestrain, to the point where I can now use it for about 3 hours without too many problems (on a good day). In contrast, Mac OS X is hard to use for more than an hour. The only explanation I can think of is that Ubuntu (version 13.10) doesn't use temporal dithering (I've checked this) and the Mac must. My evidence for the Mac is that changing to grayscale and turning contrast way up gives significant relief (though it's not much fun to look at), which would presumably remove the effects of temporal dithering. Your mileage may vary.

Jan 21, 2014 10:37 AM in response to mvanier

@mvanier: Which Macbook do you own? So far I've read threw the thread and the oberverations and they are familiar to me right now. In terms of Ubuntu being darker I think it is not hitting the point. I'm not pretty sure that it is the dithering because I think on the MB Pro and Pro Retina it must be pretty the same. And for first impression I think the MB Pro displays just pleasing content for my eyes and it is not the bigger font size. There is just no latense swirling which disturbs my eyes. Sounds like described dithering. Hm.


Edit: What I completely messed up to mention is that I had the same eye problems with a lenovo Full HD Display being 13". I couldn't look at it for longer than 10 minutes which makes me consider the resolution being a factor again. But then why doesn't the eyestrain go away when zoomed in in Safari.

Jan 21, 2014 3:37 PM in response to tight_eye

@tight_eye: The MacBook is a 13" non-retina model with only Intel graphics chips (no Nvidia). Ubuntu is indeed darker than OS X but I doubt that that's the probllem, plus there is the bit about high contrast helping on Mac OS X. Also, there are many ways to do dithering. What is usually called "temporal dithering" is almost always spatiotemporal dithering, with many adjacent pixels participating and flickering to give the final effect. This could easily give different results on the Retina display vs the regular one. The Retina display could be worse or better, depending on how the algorithm was implemented.

Jan 21, 2014 4:41 PM in response to dmendel

dmendel wrote:


dmendel wrote:



I just ordered a new Mac Mini and a Benq GW2450HM (same specs as the one noted above). Should have everything set up and tested within the next 10 days. I will report back my experience. As I have noted in this thread, I could not tolerate the new 27" iMac. I was going to get a refurbed Dell U2410, which is CCFL, based on some users' suggestions, but turns out I wasn't able to get it. So I went with what looks to be the next best thing (at least on paper). I wanted to avoid W-LED, but the Benq has a "low blue light" mode that seems to work (see the review athttp://pcmonitors.info/reviews/benq-ew2740l). Some people have recommended the new Dell 2713, which uses a GB-LED, but the 6-bit+FRC turned me off. If the Benq does not pan out, then I might try that. Hopefully the Benq will be true to its claims. Fingers crossed.


Well everything arrived and set up. The monitor immediately caused the same tension and tightening in my eyes as the iMac. Not as intense, but still there. However, I quickly realized that something was amiss. The OSD menus did not match what I had read on TFT Central. None of the pre-set modes, like "Low Blue Light" could be found. I double-checked the part number and realized that I had an older model that is not the updated flicker free design. I have to return it and try to get my hands on a flicker-free model.


That said, I am not at all impressed with the image quality of the monitor, flicker or no. The text is not very sharp and is noticebly more pixelated than my old 2006 20" iMac that i am currenlty still using. For example, The "W" in Window in the finder menu bar at the top is very jagged. Looks pretty bad. If the newer flicker-free models are essentially the same image quality it will be disappointing. But if they don't cause discomfort, I can live with it.


So, I will report back when I get my hands on the flicker-free model.



I am having trouble locating one of the flicker-free monitors here in Canada. The only one I could find is the EW2440L, which they happen to have at a local shop. But I just came across a refurbished HP LP2475W. This is one of the early IPS panel displays but is CCFL backlit. According to TFT Central it is a 24" WS LG.Display H-IPS. It is the same price (slightly cheaper actually) as the new Benq, and can be returned with no "restocking fee" (unlike the Benq), so I decided to order it and see what it is like. Out of curiosity. Has anyone here had any experience with those early-IPS CCFL HP monitors? (I also had the possibility of getting a refurbed ZR24W for the same price, but I was put off by reviewers' complaints of the extreme brightness at the lowest setting.) If that does not work, I will try out the Benq.

Jan 22, 2014 7:22 AM in response to mojarvinen

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mojarvinen



XTi should do it if it has video.


Unfortunately my XTI does not have video, if anyone here owns one of the cars with LED accent lighting around the headlights (AUDI is good) ,and a camera that can record at the frame rate mojarvinen suggested, could you take a video of them to look for flicker? Thanks in advance if you can!!


On another note I wanted to share this article which I thought was interesting about the incandescent bulb, I don't think the industry cares but I thought some here would find it interesting if you have issues with fluorescent and LED home lighting: http://www.foxnews.com/science/2014/01/16/congress-offers-glimmer-hope-for-incan descent-light-bulb/



Jesse

Jan 22, 2014 7:30 AM in response to dmendel

dmendelI am having trouble locating one of the flicker-free monitors here in Canada. The only one I could find is the EW2440L, which they happen to have at a local shop. But I just came across a refurbished HP LP2475W. This is one of the early IPS panel displays but is CCFL backlit. According to TFT Central it is a 24" WS LG.Display H-IPS. It is the same price (slightly cheaper actually) as the new Benq, and can be returned with no "restocking fee" (unlike the Benq), so I decided to order it and see what it is like. Out of curiosity. Has anyone here had any experience with those early-IPS CCFL HP monitors? (I also had the possibility of getting a refurbed ZR24W for the same price, but I was put off by reviewers' complaints of the extreme brightness at the lowest setting.) If that does not work, I will try out the Benq.


I am still wondering about one thing and have asked several times without someone here who is an expert in electricity providing an explanation, maybe Artichoke could answer?:


If the power coming into your monitor is inconsistent, or pulsing couldn't it create a flicker in a flicker free monitor?


The reason I bring this up is because if pulsing power delivery has been an issue all along with monitors and household lighting, with the addition of extremely bright LED back lighting that can pulse completely on/off wouldn't that explain why a flicker free monitor could still bother some of us? Can anyone do an experiment with some sort of power filtering device to plug a "flicker free" monitor into? I haven't seen this discussed and I am no PHD in electrical engineering but it seems important maybe?


Thanks,


Jesse

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