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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Mar 5, 2014 8:51 AM in response to tight_eye

Tight eye, I think we are in agreement here. Contrast or brightness will definitely increase your issue, the brighter the light the worse it is going to be, no doubt about that. In some cases I think it helps slightly if brightness is 100% because the screen may stop flickering on PWM monitors however the brightness level probably offsets the positive gains of losing flicker a great deal by increasing the brightness of the blue light too much! I'm not sure it matters what the appearance of the display color is, the back light is still the same even if the screen appears to be red/yellow. In fact the blue might be worse under those settings to create that appearance, who knows without a measurement.


"@Jessiah: No problem, didn't get that offending, I'm just engaged to find a solution, too.


As for the blue light I just can say that it could be a problem and we probably will never know until someone can measure the spectrum. As for myself I can say that I find blue tints on screen in terms of colour (I know spectrum is different) more pleasing than most IPS displays being more warm, red and yellow. Hope you know what I mean.


On the other hand I doubt, that the devices I can work comfortable with are all exhibiting less blue light.

The only fact which is the same on these machines for me is low contrast or lower than average. It's imo relative brightness which is bothering, which makes sense to me when I compare my view on an iMac to what I see when I read a book. The book just looks flat, there is basically nearly no contrast at all and it's super pleasing.


I think I'm going to give you guys my opinion about the VAIOs shortly. Actually I'm sitting in front of an Haswell iMac 27 which first gave me a nice headache for 3 days, now I'm on day 5, it is barely tolerable for me now cause the headaches are almost gone. Tiredness and flickering vision persist though. This flicker in the eyes is the most bothering to me. It feels like pulsating content is hitting my eyes and nothing's standing still."

Mar 5, 2014 8:54 AM in response to Jessiah1

Tight Eye, the image instability is something I see just like you, we share that. A lot of these new monitors appear to be "moving" when I look at them, I will say I was pleased to not see this for the first time when viewing the sony vaio. I wonder exactly what the difference is that makes the image appear more stable?


"This flicker in the eyes is the most bothering to me. It feels like pulsating content is hitting my eyes and nothing's standing still."

Mar 5, 2014 9:14 AM in response to Jessiah1

jessiah1


to me flux is the difference between using and not using my monitor.


With flux i dont have any strain/pain whatsoever. If i dont use flux, my eyes start hurting after a time...


Flux will reduce the blue-light. As the screen goes from white to red. The blue component gets minimized to confortable levels to me.


I have difficulty beliving that there are blue light that is bad and blue light that is good. To me it's just unbalanced high energy blue. Excess blue.


UV are bad for the eyes. Only if it is blue light that are near the UV spectrum...

Mar 5, 2014 9:49 AM in response to Jessiah1

Jessiah1 wrote:


Peter, I know it is not related to a CFL, I was stating it's energy use is probably close to that of a CFL and it has no mercury or other hazardous wastes! Much better carbon foot print and healthy light because it is essentially an incandescent light.

CFL and LED use much lower perentage of watts per lumen than halogen. Typical low energy bulb that have been forced on Europeans would be 7Watts for 60watt equivalent, not 43. And they explode quite regularly.


Unfortunately for the followers of this thread, LED will be the final answer if the EU has its way, IKEA will be selling only LED bulbs after 2015.

Mar 5, 2014 1:17 PM in response to LD150

Peter, so I guess the halogen incandescent light still uses more energy than a CFL however it meets the requirements in the USA of the "Better use of light bulbs act" so for now it is an option, do you not have these in the EU? I still think the energy savings is bogus on CFL's and LED's, I have heard a lot of business owners complaining about LED's burning out quicker than incandescent. Plus there is all the electronic crap and metals in LED's so I don't understand why the environmental footprint is better, especially since the energy savings are all stated over 25 years and the bulbs burn out sooner. This is all going to blow up in our faces at the landfills, you can compare the LED lighting technology to the Prius with its carbon foot print. Have you picked up some of these LED light bulbs and felt how much they weigh, what is in these things that makes them sooo heavy?


I apretiate your inputs, I can tell your not crazy about the lighting in the EU and I sense you have similar feelings about consumers and not government regulating what is a good product.

Jesse

Mar 5, 2014 1:35 PM in response to Jessiah1

And here is an article on LED blue light hazards highlighting the French study findings and other information about the effects on the Retina:


http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/2010/11/light-and-human-health-led-risks-hi ghlighted.html


The reality is we have governments pushing energy savings and not enough research on the health risks which is pretty much normal if you pay attention to history, remember Asbestos?


Jesse

Mar 5, 2014 1:51 PM in response to Jessiah1

Jesse,


It's reducing blue light. What flux does is change color temperature. just that. Actually Flux changes colour temperature throughout the day. But i just have flux stick always at 5500K. I had set to be always at 5500K.


The white colour of white page on screen at 6500K is all blue, red, green at max. strenght. Reducing colour temperature will make white, warmer at the expense of blue. The screen is more reddish. It's like changing colour calibration of screen. Reducing the blue. I can do that either. In fact before using flux, that's what i made.

Mar 5, 2014 1:53 PM in response to RMartin111

I still can't believe there Is nothing we can do with our diet that can Improve our lives with these

LED lights. Spinach and Kale are loaded with lutein and zeaxanthin which Is supposed to absorb

blue light. I have to admit though I have been eating a lot of both and noticed no difference. I just

can't believe people are curing themselves from crazy problems with a plant based diet yet for our

problem there Is no solution. The only solution seems to be no exposure to these lights which we all

know Is Impossible these days.

Mar 5, 2014 4:30 PM in response to Jessiah1

Jessiah1 wrote:


Peter, so I guess the halogen incandescent light still uses more energy than a CFL however it meets the requirements in the USA of the "Better use of light bulbs act" so for now it is an option, do you not have these in the EU? ....


I apretiate your inputs, I can tell your not crazy about the lighting in the EU and I sense you have similar feelings about consumers and not government regulating what is a good product.

Jesse

Officially we are not allowed to buy any incandescent lights unless they are clear glass which includes these halogen double skin bulbs. Or we can buy incandent bulbs for "special requirements" such as Fireglo, coloured party lights, Neon flicker candles etc. Anyone who is forced to go either silly shape slow warmup low energy bulbs, or clear glass with ghastly shadows is unhappy. We have the added complication of having mostly bayonet, with some edison creeping in from Europe.

So we seek out small back street shops who don't mind importing opal bulbs and flouting the EU "law" or we buy "Rough Service" lamps intended for auto inspection lamps which are effectively the old opal incandescent bulbs.

Sod the EU, sod climate change, I like my house it with lovely warm incandescents, and they keep the room warmer too. I have a stash of about 50 old time bulbs and I hope they will last me out. The sooner we are out of Europe the better. Roll on Euro elections and 2017 referendum.

That was all off topic but it makes me feel better.

Sorry also I can't share your eye problem discussions, my Macbook and ipad are no problem to me.

Mar 6, 2014 1:48 AM in response to RMartin111

if a rat is given sweetened water containing a toxin, it will drink it and then vomit. If the next time the same rat is given sweetened water without a toxin, it will still vomit.


This, in a nutshell, is what is happening to you people.


You have become allergic to most kinds of displays after your initial exposure to flickering LED. Most people who suffer a bad reaction to LED backlights will, at some point in time, also become allergic to CCFL

Mar 6, 2014 2:10 AM in response to fakeman333

That did not happened to me. If after my exposure to LED displays and experiencing the discomfort, return to my old trusted ccfl displays, the eye strain and all the other symptoms go away after a few hours/days.

Currently, and after all this exposure to LED displays in the last 3 years, I have not become allergic to ccfls.

Mar 6, 2014 3:37 AM in response to fakeman333

fakeman333 wrote:


if a rat is given sweetened water containing a toxin, it will drink it and then vomit. If the next time the same rat is given sweetened water without a toxin, it will still vomit.


This, in a nutshell, is what is happening to you people.


You have become allergic to most kinds of displays after your initial exposure to flickering LED. Most people who suffer a bad reaction to LED backlights will, at some point in time, also become allergic to CCFL

Your medical or psychiatric quaifications? or a citation link?

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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