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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Mar 29, 2011 11:52 AM in response to RMartin111

I just made the choice to switch to the Macbook Pro from my normal Sony computer, and I am also getting the eye strain that resulted in headache. I saw on another discussion board a program called Flux, which changes the lighting on the monitor. So far it has lessened the effect from the screen, but with many people, I wonder if such side effects can cause permanent damage. If it continues, this new Macbook may find its way to Ebay or something similar. Not to mention, I am now operating on the dimmest setting it has to try to subside the effects even more.

Mar 29, 2011 12:09 PM in response to Veilure

I decided to keep my MacBook Air, and hope for the best. I've been working with it for about a month and a half now, and I must say that most of my problems with the screen are gone. After about two weeks of full-time use I suddenly realized that my eyes weren't as strained anymore as they were in the beginning, and working with it the whole day wasn't really a problem anymore.

I can still say without a doubt that the older CCFL screens are a lot easier on the eyes. When I've worked on one of those for a while, the screen on my Air seems a bit uncomfortable at first. But after a few minutes my eyes are adjusted and everything is fine. The lighting in the room is also a huge factor. More light is usually better in my experience.

Bright whites are still the biggest problem. When typing on a forum like this, I usually turn the brightness down quite a bit more than usual. I also still notice that my eyes are are more tired at the end of the day, more so than they used to be with the older screen. But the eye strain and headaches are gone for the most part, and most of the day I don't really think about the whole LED problem anymore.

So, I guess that at least in my case my eyes eventually adjusted. It did take a full two weeks though, and since that's the return time for an Apple Store purchase, it was still a big gamble. I'm glad I stuck with it though. If I had many alternatives I would've just returned it within a week, not realizing that it would get a lot better after a while.

(Disclaimer: I might just go blind within a few months, and not having the eye strain anymore is just the beginning of the end. If that happens, I'll tell someone to type another reply).

Apr 3, 2011 6:24 PM in response to Veilure

I've been having all the same problems and was about to give up on my 2010 Macbook Air 13" when I suddenly hit on a solution that works for me. I'd still go back to the old-style backlight if there was the option, but I don't get significant eye pain with the LED any more.

These are the changes I made:

1. Changed the colour temperature to exactly 5000K via the calibration in Displays.
2. Increased gamma to maximum, also via the calibration. (I doubt whether this was actually helpful but I don't want to change anything now it's alright.)
3. Ensured font smoothing is set to default (see 'Deleting the font smoothing override' at http://macperformanceguide.com/Trials-FontSmoothing.html ).
4. Enabled "Use LCD font smoothing" in Appearance (which is the default).
5. Disable any third-party colour temperature software, such as Flux, and reboot.

I'm sure this isn't much good if your work requires precise colours, but it's made a big difference to me. I'd fiddled with font settings trying to improve matters, but with the colour temperature at 5000K the defaults now look good. Flux works by changing the colour temperature too, so I'm not surprised many people have reported an improvement with it.

Just my 100 won's worth. YMMV.

Apr 15, 2011 7:50 PM in response to RMartin111

Since I got this machine, I have had eye strain, headaches (I also have the MBP 17" Core Duo with CCFL backlighting and I never had such issues before).
Since I have the Hi-Resolution Antiglare Widescreen Display, the issue is not due to the reflective glass.

Using http://www.lagom.nl/lcd-test/inversion.php#invpattern I find that I have least problems with VERY LOW backlighting (two rectangles), which seems to be confirmed by my eyes (and disable the auto adjustment with ambient light).

This is really really disappointing.

Apr 21, 2011 9:13 AM in response to RMartin111

I too have experienced headaches and eye strain from using the recently purchased MBP 15" HR glossy screen. The machine itself is beautiful, extremely well made with the unbelievable unibody alu design, and the custom made one I bought was lightning fast and very responsive with its SSD, 8GB RAM and higher end ATI video card. But despite all of the above the machine overall gets a 1 star from me due to the sheer unpleasantness resulting from having to look at that screen. Eye strain, headaches in spades!

In my opinion, it's the extremely low quality TN screen that Apple uses in this $3k notebook that's responsible for all the problems, not the LED.

Has anyone yet complained of eye strain associated with working with the LED backlit IPS screen used in the ipad? Or the iphone? Or the Apple cinema display (except in a very few cases)?

Anyone working with photography can't possibly help but notice how extremely poor is the angle view on this display. Just look straight to the center of this image and see how the screen is much darker towards the bottom and washed out towards the top. Look at a photograph of a human head that fills out the entire screen, look at the skin tones: If you change the angle of the screen so that the skin looks realistic in the middle, you'll see that, towards the bottom, it gets orange and towards the top, it gets really washed out, cadaver-like. Unacceptable in a $3k laptop! Look at the screen showing a solid grey color, same thing.

Needless to say this POS screen is going back, too bad that, otherwise, the laptop is ptop notch!

Apple, please don't insult your customers by selling them expensive laptops with POS screens, PLEASE start using IPS screens in your laptops, like you do in your ipads and iphones!

Apr 29, 2011 2:42 PM in response to RMartin111

I think this is an incredibly important issue, since the move to LED-backlit monitors is absolutely massive, and if LED backlighting has a potentially harmful (or at least, more irritating) effect on eyesight than traditional non-LED LCD screens, we're talking about a technological shift with significant implications on general computer use and perhaps human health. Indeed, I truly believe this is not about Apple, but about the shift to LED-backlit monitors. And since this is the only real meaningful discussion on this subject on the web (and I have looked thoroughly), please accept my concerns below even though I do not use the new macbook pro being immediately talked about.


I bought an LG 24" HDMI monitor for my PC because it was big and cheap, and LED LCD was all the rage when I bought it about two years ago. I received headaches immediately and a piercing pain in my eyes after about two weeks of using it - definitely not a kind of pain or irritation that I've ever had before, not even using CRTs. At first, I just told myself "it's a new monitor, I'll get used to it." But after the problems didn't go away, and after doing a week or so of switching back to a traditional LCD, and then back to the LED LCD monitor, the results were consistent enough to where I eventually put the 24" LED LCD up for sale and bought a 23" non-LED LCD monitor which I currently use. I've had no eye irritation or major headaches since.


But that's not my argument. What needs to be said in a discussion like this - one that is so often plagued with technological fallacies and myths of every kind - is that there are (to my knowledge) differences in the physical, technological features between the LED-backlit monitor and the traditional LCD. Time does not allow me to go into the details, but plainly said, LED backlit screens parallel far closer the "staring into a strobelight" description than traditional LCDs.

Now, I can't verify this, but my suspicion is that this is why TV manufacturers have increased the refresh rate from the traditional 60z to 120hz, and even 240hz - where the flicker is virtually non-existent (at least to the human eye). It's not as if any human being can tell the difference between a 120 and a 240hz refresh rate; the human eye fills in the blanks after about 30-60 frames (which is why civilization has been content with a 15 fps VHS for so long, and why the vast majority of TV viewers are content with DVD's 30fps refresh rate). Buying a 240hz screen over a 120hz screen is just silly, and their creation is either (a) a vain attempt to attract certain kinds of consumers who want to be on the cutting edge - even if its useless, or (b) screen makers aren't telling us that they're selling super-high refresh rate LED screens because they eliminate eye-strain and headaches, and they would rather do that to keep consumers happy than be labeled "old tech" by reviewers or have to spend millions for organic LED screens (what we are all looking forward to) that are not in demand (since they are too spendy).


So, the queston is, if a Macbook Pro (or any LED backlit screen for that matter) would change their default refresh rates to a solid 120 or 240hz, would the eye irritation and headaches go away? That would be great, and there needs to be some testing there. And secondly, if symptoms don't go away after that change, will Apple or any company for that matter, listen to the facts of the consumer experience and offer both LED and non-LED LCD screens? Thirdly and finally, if nothing consistent results in testing between refresh rates of LED backlit screens, then perhaps the issue is the color (as others have said in these discussions), or something else we just aren't aware of.

Apr 29, 2011 5:00 PM in response to RMartin111

20+ years of using Mac's


1: Refective CRT Mac's - eyestrain and headaches


2: LCD panels - a welcome relief as they were matte finish


Went for the last 7 years with a matte screen, no problem


Bought a Mac for a friend


3: MacBook - glossy screen - eyestrain and headaches


The problem returned after such a long absence and in a mere 3 days of use


After a week, I couldn't use the computer anymore


Bought a


4: 17" MacBook Pro - anti-glare screen - no issue



Glare is a issue, so is flickering. Both need to be eliminated.

Apr 29, 2011 5:20 PM in response to ds store

Dang!


I'm sorry to hear so many people with sensitivities to the screen. I was on the forums yesterday for 10 or 11 hours. No issues. I'm fortunate I guess. I've never seen the flickeriing OP are referring to. Not that I want to but...

Hope everyone finds a solution for themselves.


Sincerely,


Joseph


P.S. The only flickering I do notice is when scrolling a webpage, but I thought that was just the nature of the screen.

May 12, 2011 3:52 AM in response to RMartin111

Since my post of Nov. 29th 2010, things do not go better (for me and also for others, if have a look at this discussion thread ) . I have tried everything with my iMac 27" ( installing "shades", change resolution, control of brightness, etc) and I also went to an eye specialist (my eyes are too dry but they are ok, altough I have the impression that my vision is getting worse ). The eye strain is still there and I use my iMac only when I need to. I am really disappointed.


At work, I use an "old" Hewlett Packard LP L1750 screen, and after 6-8 hours using it, I dont' feel any pain at all.


I think it's a shame that Apple do not even react to any of these comments.



They don't seem to care at all.



😟

May 12, 2011 6:51 AM in response to RMartin111

I bought a new iMac two days ago and it's already clear that I can't tolerate the LED backlighting. Such a shame - the new iMac represents great value but it really is deeply unpleasant to sit in front of it for any length of time. This problem clearly affects only a very small proportion of users, which makes it unlikely that Apple will do anything about it.

May 12, 2011 8:36 AM in response to Brize

This problem clearly affects only a very small proportion of users, which makes it unlikely that Apple will do anything about it.

True. Those who can't find a way to tolerate it will probably have to resort to using old equipment, because for the rest of us, LED backlighting is far, far better than fluorescent backlighting (brighter, more energy-efficient, more stable in color and intensity over time, and less consumptive of toxic materials that must be disposed of as hazardous waste). The whole TV and computer monitor industry is rapidly converting to LED.


It would be completely unlike Apple to revert to fluorescent backlighting unless someone can document with indisputable clarity that LED backlighting causes adverse health effects even among the great majority of people who don't experience any discomfort when using it.

Jun 2, 2011 8:11 PM in response to RMartin111

Add me to the list, the LED backlights are unbearable, eyestrain city, feels like your eyes are gonna explode after 10 minutes.. did not realise until after the return period of course.. never had a problem before in 15 yrs using macs, ive had plenty of powermac/powerbooks/macbookpro/studio and cinema displays all with CRT or CCFL and only had the awful eye pain issue since the getting the LED backlit model MBP, additionally i have had no problem since i stopped using the macbookpro with LED display...


I found getting a cheap TN CCFL backlit external display solved the eyestrain issue almost immediately, the super expensive laptop now sits on the corner of the desk with the lid shut like a way overpriced mac mini..


I have the LED glossy 17 MBP, i wasnt sure if it was...


1, the retina burning bright LED backlights?

2, the addition of all the reflected light in your eyes from the glass display?

3, the ridiculously overly high res?

4, or a combination effect..


I do now think it is down to the LED's, as postings show people with anti glare coated screens have the same issue, and zooming in on text when reading seems to make no difference, doesnt matter how big i make the text it is still painful and hard work to read, i can't work for more than 10 mins on this laptop.


So apparently... the white LED's are actually BLUE LED's with a yellow coating to make them appear white, and they cant be dimmed by voltage changes so they use this pulse modulation thing... i certainly won't be buying any more devices with built in LED screens, that rules out pretty much all apple products..


Read this... http://texyt.com/bright+blue+leds+annoyance+health+risks

And this... http://www.mactech.com/2011/03/24/apple-patent-led-backlight-display-systems

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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