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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Nov 14, 2015 9:51 AM in response to rpmiller4

Don't overlook the value of using the VGA port if the monitor has one.


My 2048x1152 resolution CCFL monitor with PWM at home (not an issue since I use it at high brightness anyway) seems to be doing well with the VGA port. It also has DVI and HDMI inputs. The computer I have only has hdmi and displayport outputs. Other factors at play are software driver version, font rendering, color temperature, etc. Don't forget to have your monitor or TV set for chroma 4:4:4. On my monitor that is only on 3 of the presets, the rest are 4:2:2. It does make a big difference on font rendering.


I got myself an active (not passive) adapter mini-displayport to VGA from Accell (AMD helpfully publishes a list of eyefinity certified active adapters http://support.amd.com/en-us/recommended/eyefinity-adapters, I recommend you use that list as the part numbers are in there, note that the list is 4 pages long so click on the little arrow icons to move between pages in the list. Eyefinity does not work with passive adapters.) I also got myself a 1.5' long VGA cable from Monoprice. It is the thickest VGA cable with big ferrites that I have ever seen. Make sure you get the real cable from Amazon or directly from monoprice if you are in the US, ordering a third party seller cable, even if they claim it is Monoprice is likely to be a thin fake. With this combination of thick cable and good adapter the sharpness is as good as the digital signal. I probably would have gone with the mDP to HDMI adapter, but the HDMI port is being used by another device on my monitor.


Likewise, the Samsung S24C650 monitor at my office is LED with PWM but I use it with the VGA port on my work laptop and it is just fine, I'd even go as far as to say it is better than my home monitor, I'd buy it for home use no problem and probably should look into it except for the fact that I already have a monitor roughly the same size and no TV so I have to think about it. It uses a matte (no sparkles) AD-PLS panel. At work I just use it at max brightness with the gamma on mode3, and use f.lux to adjust the colour temperature and all's good.


One of my phones is the BlackBerry Z30, which is an AMOLED panel and there is visible PWM at the lower brightnesses, but due to the nature of AMOLED, it is not the "same" appearance as LED PWM so I can use it fine. Yes, it was jarring at first compared to my 4S still on iOS 6.1.3, but you do get used to it.


There are two points you should take away from this: 1) VGA still has value, 2) LED and PWM is not necessarily a bad thing, if you find a device that works such as my LED office monitor with PWM. You will get used to certain things. When you buy new clothes and shoes or bicycle or anything really, it takes time to break them in. Some parts should be avoided if you can, Intel's GPU is always going to be problematic. You will never find a perfect device because you are not perfect and are always changing.

Nov 27, 2015 6:56 AM in response to Technarch

at my new work I have to code from time to time on a desktop computer with amd ati graphics. Just the way it is, I get the stupid eyestrain with headache and sickness from it.

@technarch mentioned that an active image converter helped. So I decided to buy an active display port converter which fullfils the amd eyefinity certificate.

However what will you guys recommend? DP to DVI/HDMI or DP to VGA?

Dec 27, 2015 3:16 AM in response to Gurm42

Hi I want to ask something,yesterday i went to my brother's house for vacation and i use his pc and after 10 minute i got headache but strangely last year i used his pc normal without headcahe and i saw the monitor is the same and his pc too is the same from last year and i ask my brother,he told me that he re instal his pc with windows 7 ultimate and his procesor pc is intel,I have read from pevious pages that it can be cause from dhitering from microsoft windows.I want to ask how to turn off this dhitering or any software to remove dhitering or maybe using other OS like linux can be the solution ?anyone can help me


NB : sorry for my english because i'm not a native speaker

Jan 11, 2016 3:23 PM in response to rpmiller4

Another update. See the post I'm replying to for context.


I tried the yellow gunnar glasses on a laptop loaned to me by work. Then I tried sunglasses. Then I actually tried both on at the same time. Still got discomfort, nausea, headaches.


Recently I remembered I have a Mac mini server, and I tried setting it up on my Plasma TV which *never* gives me headaches when watching cable or playing PS4 games. I noticed that while upgrading to the latest OS I was feeling the same way. I also installed another OS on BootCamp and noticed the same symptoms. This lends some credibility to the theory that there is a problem with the Intel Display Graphics adapter (HD graphics 3000) used by some Apple devices.


jtl999 noted that recent MacBooks don't seem to have flicker problems, so I'm willing to give that a try once my bank account goes back to a healthy level. Still, this is becoming a greater problem. I have trouble looking at colleagues' displays at work if they are LED backlit; My iPhone 4s which I can use non-stop is getting slower with every iOS update; One out of every four safari pages crashes due to memory issues, apps are no longer really made for my phone, Apple Maps and Siri used to respond within 5 seconds, now it can take between 30 seconds to a minute to get directions somewhere, and it doesn't always complete the operation. I know these display problems aren't specific to Apple, but it would really help if I could understand why the iPhone 4s which has an retina LED display has a perfect display, and iPhones 5-6s, which are also LED displays are basically weaponized puke-lights.

Jan 28, 2016 5:18 PM in response to RMartin111

Sadly, I'm having the same issue. I bought a MacBook Pro retina 13" few weeks ago, and that screen is hurting my eyes and brain really badly >.<


As far as I'm concerned what I feel most aggressive is the white. So if I look at a blank page versus a dark picture, the blank page is really worse for my eyes.


Does anyone here have that feeling too? When I look at the screen I feel like when you somehow watch the sun directly... you probably remember doing that when you were a kid... and then when you look at something else you still see "white blind spots". Do you know what I mean? Well if you do that's what I see when I look at my MacBook screen.


I obviously tried adjusting the display with advanced mode, tried f.lux, bought an anti-glare screen protector, and even tried installing Windows with Bootcamp.

Well... all those things didn't remove the problem unfortunately :-(

However, adjusting the settings and using f.lux did help a little.


I must say that something strange happened when installing Windows, but maybe it was just an impression. When I installed Windows, at first it seemed easier on my eyes, but then I had a window from Bootcamp asking me to install stuff... probably the drivers... right after that the display looked extremely aggressive to my eyes again. Did anyone else experience the same thing?


I truly would like Apple to find a solution. I think their cumputers are really beautiful. But at the end of the day I need something I can work with. So I sincerely hope they are working on fixing the issue.


After reading many websites and research I suspect the eye strain issue comes from blue light, temporal dithering and some energy saving technology combined.


I also wanted to add that I'm also struggling with some car and street sign lights during the night too. This didn't cause me any problem before the LED technology appoeared to be everywhere. I'm extremely concerned about safety both computer wise and car wise. In France, the ANSES made a research and probably others did too, saying there is a real concern about the safety of LED technology. I hope we won't be all blind in some years for the sake of saving energy and having the high end, highest contrast, best color etc. screen.

Jan 28, 2016 5:44 PM in response to Spicynat

I hadn't received a notice about a posting in so long that I thought the thread had closed. I am only writing to support you in your knowledge that what we experience is real. People may not talk about the sun everyday, but it is there and remains a fact of life. I have accepted the fact that I suffer, have no real place to turn, and just have to do the best I can to live in this new electronic world where LED lights prevail. I am not a scientist or tech person, so I have no theories or solutions to offer. I depend on this thread, and this thread alone, to one day reveal a solution that will benefit the myriad of complex problems reported. Just yesterday, I simply walked past a Microsoft store in the mall and the light emitting from the store was sufficient to make me nauseous. I just ordered a new car that I love and panicked when I realized I had forgotten to ask if the display panel had LED lights. This sensitivity affects our daily lives, not just our ability to use Apple products. I do miss the ability to have the latest and greatest: I visit an Apple store occasionally to look at the new devices, hoping that I can try again one day. One day I'll be forced as my old 2009 Macbook with LCD lighting can only last so long. I'm using the last LCD-only external monitor that I've been able to find that does not give me searing headaches. Each OS and IOS upgrade frightens me. I have given up talking to anyone at the Apple Store who simply say to turn down the brightness. I watch this list, but I am not part of the solution, so I am quiet. This is definitely causing a lot of problems. Search The Catherine Hessett Candlelight Fund and the Spectrum Alliance UK for information that has been revealed in Europe, which was ahead of us in the switch to these light. Once I put the links in and the post never displayed. I'll try again: http://www.lupusuk.org.uk/eclipse/spectrum-campaign-on-light-bulbs/

http://cafod.force.com/donate/candlelightfunddetail?cid=701C0000000a0sUIAQ

Both are very old link, but shows you that we aren't the only ones concerned about this.

Jan 29, 2016 4:28 AM in response to LovesDogs0415

Hello LovesDogs0415,

Thank you so much for your reply and links. The links are very interesting and it's good to know that some people care.


You know I feel like the LED technology has created you, me and many other people some sort of disability that we didn't have before, and that is so wrong!


I've been using screens my whole life. I'm a "Nintendo Zelda"(talking about the first one) generation girl. I've grown up playing games and then when older spending hours on photoshop and illustrator with absolutely no problem. But now just using that MacBook Pro for 30 min seems like torture to me. Thankfully I still got an old computer where I can work on my illustrator stuff at home. But I'm scared as you to what will happen when my old computer dies. However I was forced to buy the MacBook Pro as my old laptop died recently. So I really need to find a solution, because I also need a portable device that I can use.


Hopefully some devs or techs will find a solution for us. I wish the guys who created the kernel to disable temporal dithering would make it available for everyone. So at least we could see if it help us. But it seems that Apple or Intel or both are "locking" their system so we can't really change anything, while they don't want to change it themselves either. It's quite annoying.


I truly suspect that changing "that" would mean a shorter battery life or less colors or contrast or some stuff like that and that Apple doesn't want their computers having less features. I honestly think they could at least give us the choice. I really don't care if my battery life isn't 10 hours anymore or if I have to loose some shades of colors. My health is more important than any of that.


I really hope a solution will be found because when you see that a single thread has been watched more than half a million times, there clearly is a problem, and it should be addressed.

Feb 6, 2016 1:41 PM in response to Spicynat

Hey


Also. I would like to say I am using a BenQ 144hz monitor at home along with my Macbook and it's great 🙂 Only thing is minimum brightness is higher than my Macbook. Also might purchase a 4k resolution 27 inch screen in the future.


I have some ideas on how to fix Intel temporal dithering on OS X but

a) I don't experience the symptoms (tested on father's HP Elitebook with 0 PWM) and my Macbook with switchable graphics)

b) Trying to test the Intel dithering fix on my machine might be problematic. As far I can gather the Mac's with switchable graphics have a Intel GPU built into the CPU and a external AMD GPU. From there the screen is connected to a multiplexer chip hooked up to both GPU's with firmware that switches the input on screen (kind of like the input select on a TV or HDMI switch) I'd be curious to see how people handle the Macbook with R9 M370X graphics and using the gfxCardStatus application.


Also might have some new methods soon (no promises for any of this) on better battery life under Windows10 and Linux.

Feb 8, 2016 3:13 PM in response to jtl999

Just found an LED monitor that does make my brain feel so bad. Just dumb luck. I read about it after I got home and it has some glare protection, but we all know that doesn't really matter. I am using it with my f.lux. Can't use without.


Only been using it a few hours, so there is still time for a brain burn, but I wanted to share.


Dell SE2416H 24" Screen LED-Lit Monitor

Feb 9, 2016 12:36 AM in response to LovesDogs0415

This sounds crazy but have any of you tried wearing wax earplugs? It's the weirdest thing ever, but they seem to help me. Can anyone else give this a try and let me know your results?


The time that I notice the biggest difference is when I'm driving in the car at night.


FWIW, it's been mentioned a few times in this thread before that, in addition to our eyes, we could be dealing with inner ear problems.

Feb 18, 2016 9:27 AM in response to harrision_1234

Hi guys, long time reader and contributor to this thread, hope people are starting to find some solutions to this problem. For what its worth, my solution was primarily to stop using Macbooks. I'm pretty certain that my issues relate to temporal dithering in OSX which seems to be applied by the multiplexer chip that jtl999 mentions above.


I know this because I have now moved exclusively back to PCs, and I can only use desktops with an Nvidia graphics card in them, since ATI graphics cards apply temporal dithering in much the same way as OSX does, leaving me with the exact same symptoms after 15 mins of use. I can, however, use Windows 7 with an nvidia card (currently GTX 560 and GT610 in 2 machines) all day long without issue. I tried for years to continue to use the Macbook and find a solution but it was severely affecting my health and the damage caused seems to still affect me, begin far more susceptible to migraines after evening computer use than I ever was pre-Macbook.


Anyway, that's another story. Just wanted to chip in with where I'm at - much happier and able to keep working thankfully! Keep on searching folks - very interested in what jtl999 was saying above and perhaps if they are willing we could finally start this crowd funding campaign we thought of before?

Feb 19, 2016 11:56 AM in response to rpmiller4

Well, it's a little early to say, but one of my fears out of this whole LED migraine incapacitation mess was the rise of "modern" vehicles adding new displays onto their car consoles. I was lucky enough to afford financing on a new car, which has at least two displays on the console. I got to work roughly an hour ago and I'm still feeling tingling sensations, confusion, nausea, pain. At this point it's more sensible to ascribe it to poor sleep, or even mere self-fulfilling expectations, but I strongly suspect it's the dashboard and navigation displays. I really hope it just a coincidence but I'm rather confused as to how to deal with this. Having talked to neurologists, optometrists, Apple "Geniuses" and various other technology experts (who were the least helpful and most sarcastic, by the way, at least initially), and having tried every measure available including "flicker-free" technology, low blue light filters (software, hardware, aftermarket, glasses), newer and better sight correction prescriptions (I have a very mild one), and seeing this thread go on for six years, I feel like I need to escalate the issue by talking to legal experts or someone in a position to actually do something. I shouldn't have to worry that a ubiquitous display that I can no longer realistically avoid is going to incapacitate me throughout the day just because a company wants to extend battery power on a laptop, or because some hardware engineer from Intel is too lazy to isolate and fix a bug in their display controllers.


If anyone has any advice on where to go next please let me know. I know there are bigger problems in the world, but this is unacceptable.

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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