Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Oct 22, 2015 10:11 PM in response to soundstar3

I've been banging around this evening trying different settings, cables and adapters on my regular PC and I have stumbled upon a combo that has an interesting effect.


My Moshi mini-displayport to HDMI adapter, when connected to the HDMI port on my monitor and not the DVI port the Intel control panel perceives the monitor as a type of TV. More settings become available. In Windows in the advanced display settings, changing "IT Content" when enabled, there is more "shimmer" on webpage text and a gradient seems to have more background flicker (I want to call it temporal dithering but I can't say for certain that this is what it is). Changing it to "disabled" seems to make the picture more stable with less shimmer and the gradient is also more subtle. The setting is advertised as "text clarity" when enabled and "video clarity" when disabled. This is not my imagination, there is a difference. Not sure what it is doing exactly but it looks better with disabled.


Did anyone try that japanese utility at all? I realize this is a Mac thread, but I'm sure people use Bootcamp..

Nov 7, 2015 8:53 AM in response to AMCarvalho

AMCarvalho


Are you still finding the Macbook Pro comfortable to use? And am I right in thinking that you'd set it to use the dedicated AMD graphics card by default (and so have disabled automated switching between the Intel Iris Pro and the AMD graphics card?).


I ask because I'm wondering to what extent the Intel Iris Pro might be a step forward over previous Intel chips in the eystrain stakes, as I'd like to buy something cheaper than the very highest spec Macbook Pro if I could get it to work for me.


Gurm42 - I note your comment, above, on this subject, for which, thank you.

Nov 7, 2015 10:42 AM in response to FNP7

Hi everyone!


I would like to say I have been having issues with flickering for four years (am 16 years old, got terrible migraines from lights that would last for days)


Some info I would like to share with you people.


If you deal with light induced migraines try getting prescription for "Axert" from your doctor. Clears the migraine within 10 minutes but gives me severe insomnia that lasts for days. Don't trust medical advice from people on the internet though 😉


I was searching for a flicker-free laptop as my old Lenovo had a GPU failure. I also have a family friend within Apple and I got in contact with the Panel division and spoke to a engineer. All Macbook's from 2010 outside of a few isolated cases use a 100 Khz PWM frequency (highest in the industry) under 50% brightness. Above 50% it is standard DC dimming. The keyboard also uses a unknown PWM frequency at lower brightness. He also mentioned you can't make a screen that pleases everyone (I assume he was talking about dithering) but they do know of problems people are having with eyestrain and are aware of this forum thread.


I got the MacBook Pro 2015 15inch with AMD graphics two months ago and in my case this is the best screen I've used in a long time. Can use it for hours at a time and only need a quick stare at the wall every once in awhile.

I use the Iris Pro on battery and leave the AMD turned on when plugged into the wall and have no problems either way. I read somewhere that the Macbook Pro display is connected via LVDS to a "multiplexing" chip connected to both GPU;s and the multiplexing chip just takes frames from the GPU.

Unfortunately the backlit keyboard fickers heavily on mine at any brightness. Do other people have this problem? I was at my friends house recently who owns a MacBookAir6,2 and her's didn't flicker at higher brightness. Here is a video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7-DTI9f_CE

My life has been getting better in lots of ways health-wise since getting this laptop. Thinking of getting a BenQ 144Hz monitor and Dell IPS (both 27inch) as well for myself.


Sorry for the cryptic response, wasn't really sure how to format this.

Nov 8, 2015 8:00 AM in response to FNP7

Hello, I am struggling to look at this as I type it. I have a Macbook Pro Mid 2012 and I miss my old white Macbook. I get terrible eye strain

despite setting it on the lowest lighting. I also have it on the yellowest setting possible in Appearance settings. I also get migraines.

Can anyone tell me a laptop to buy without LED?

Thanks, gotta go now as eyestrain getting too much.

Louise (Light sensitive to white light including Fluorescents, white energy savers, and LED backlit phones.)

Apple, you have let me down. I miss the old soft blue start up screen. Are you trying to blind us? Bad business move on your part, surely!

Nov 10, 2015 4:11 PM in response to rpmiller4

I figured I'd post an update to my personal situation with headaches and major side-effects of new displays.


I've replied to my own comment, so I don't have to add too much context here.


My phone is still an iPhone 4s; I've been through every iOS upgrade, currently at 9.1 (13B143), with no nausea, headaches, discomfort.

I've tried iPhone 5 through 6s, all have caused lingering nausea, headaches, and discomfort from looking at the display for more than 5 minutes.


This week I learned that LG, AOC, Samsung, ViewSonic are all now marketing variations of flicker-free monitors as their regular line-up. So I tried the cheapest LG marketed as "flicker-safe", the LG 22MP47HQ-P. While the colors were terrible, it was slim and light. The "flicker-safe" technology didn't make a difference. I still felt major discomfort in the form of pain around my legs, and confusion. Guess what? "flicker-safe" is defined as "almost zero flicker" by LG.


Returned that, and then went in the other direction. I bought the Samsung U28E590D. This one is advertised as flicker-free on the box. It's a 4K display sold in both the TV section of Best Buy and the computer monitor section. I had to purchase an xfx-amd-radeon-r9-390-8gb-gddr5-pci-express-3-0-graphics-card to support the extreme resolution demands of the display. It looks amazing. It also makes me sick. I tried enabling and disabling FreeSync, reducing and increasing the number of bits per channel (although it allegedly displays 10 bpc without dithering, so it shouldn't matter); I also tried the eye-saver mode, which basically reduces the blue light levels. I have a suspicion that reducing blue light helped, but I'm not certain. The effects do linger,so it's possible the improvement was not immediately obvious. It uses a WLED backlight anyway, and the old TN flat panels I use at work for hours non-stop without any issues obviously display blue colors, so why would blue wavelengths make big difference?


Now that I know that "flicker-free" technology doesn't make a difference with my symptoms - at least not this current generation - , I might actually buy some yellow gunnar glasses and see if I can narrow down the root cause. I also found used CCFL TN monitors on eBay from 2009 matching the display models that I use at work, and are being shipped to me as I type. In the meantime, my Panasonic TC-P60VT60 55-Inch 1080p 600Hz 3D Smart Plasma HDTV is holding me over as a TV as long I don't use the 3D feature, but they no longer make it.


Have any of you affected found any modern displays or display settings that completely resolved your symptoms?

Nov 14, 2015 9:51 AM in response to rpmiller4

Don't overlook the value of using the VGA port if the monitor has one.


My 2048x1152 resolution CCFL monitor with PWM at home (not an issue since I use it at high brightness anyway) seems to be doing well with the VGA port. It also has DVI and HDMI inputs. The computer I have only has hdmi and displayport outputs. Other factors at play are software driver version, font rendering, color temperature, etc. Don't forget to have your monitor or TV set for chroma 4:4:4. On my monitor that is only on 3 of the presets, the rest are 4:2:2. It does make a big difference on font rendering.


I got myself an active (not passive) adapter mini-displayport to VGA from Accell (AMD helpfully publishes a list of eyefinity certified active adapters http://support.amd.com/en-us/recommended/eyefinity-adapters, I recommend you use that list as the part numbers are in there, note that the list is 4 pages long so click on the little arrow icons to move between pages in the list. Eyefinity does not work with passive adapters.) I also got myself a 1.5' long VGA cable from Monoprice. It is the thickest VGA cable with big ferrites that I have ever seen. Make sure you get the real cable from Amazon or directly from monoprice if you are in the US, ordering a third party seller cable, even if they claim it is Monoprice is likely to be a thin fake. With this combination of thick cable and good adapter the sharpness is as good as the digital signal. I probably would have gone with the mDP to HDMI adapter, but the HDMI port is being used by another device on my monitor.


Likewise, the Samsung S24C650 monitor at my office is LED with PWM but I use it with the VGA port on my work laptop and it is just fine, I'd even go as far as to say it is better than my home monitor, I'd buy it for home use no problem and probably should look into it except for the fact that I already have a monitor roughly the same size and no TV so I have to think about it. It uses a matte (no sparkles) AD-PLS panel. At work I just use it at max brightness with the gamma on mode3, and use f.lux to adjust the colour temperature and all's good.


One of my phones is the BlackBerry Z30, which is an AMOLED panel and there is visible PWM at the lower brightnesses, but due to the nature of AMOLED, it is not the "same" appearance as LED PWM so I can use it fine. Yes, it was jarring at first compared to my 4S still on iOS 6.1.3, but you do get used to it.


There are two points you should take away from this: 1) VGA still has value, 2) LED and PWM is not necessarily a bad thing, if you find a device that works such as my LED office monitor with PWM. You will get used to certain things. When you buy new clothes and shoes or bicycle or anything really, it takes time to break them in. Some parts should be avoided if you can, Intel's GPU is always going to be problematic. You will never find a perfect device because you are not perfect and are always changing.

Nov 27, 2015 6:56 AM in response to Technarch

at my new work I have to code from time to time on a desktop computer with amd ati graphics. Just the way it is, I get the stupid eyestrain with headache and sickness from it.

@technarch mentioned that an active image converter helped. So I decided to buy an active display port converter which fullfils the amd eyefinity certificate.

However what will you guys recommend? DP to DVI/HDMI or DP to VGA?

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