Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

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Feb 22, 2016 12:19 PM in response to rpmiller4

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I'll give it a try only because it's harmless and cheap to test, but it seems very unlikely to help me. I spend a lot of time around devices that would incapacitate me, and I only have problems if I look at them. It's also not a real solution when I'm in my new car, which has 3 separate displays at the dashboard.

I'm the same way. My issues are 100% triggered by visual stimuli and every thing that I have tried so far that has helped has been visual related. I am shocked and was equally pessimistic that silicone earplugs could make any difference.


But, for whatever reason, it works. I can go into the harshest environments (industrial overhead lighting or strong LEDs) and feel fine now.


My next steps are to see if some of you guys can confirm what I'm finding then go back to ENTs again with a 'solution' and see if they determine the problem.

Feb 22, 2016 1:30 PM in response to jtl999

@jtl999


I just brought the earplug method up a couple days ago -- I don't think anyone else has tried it. I know it sounds so bizarre that it should be laughed out of here, but I've been reading this topic for a few years and after trying everything this has given me the most relief so I wanted to share with the hopes that it helps others.


You can get silicone earplugs for $6 at the drug store. If you give it a go make sure you push them in tight and completely seal your ear. Let me know how it goes.

Mar 2, 2016 12:12 AM in response to kvoth

Hi Everyone,


I have been watching this thread for years now. It seems there is no solution as of yet. Great work is being done by members in this forum - so thanks to everyone doing experiments and providing advice. I have a condition with my eyes called uveitis and the effects of LED screens in my case are severe. I am not saying LEDs cause uveitis but they certainly exacerbate my symptoms.


I have two questions:


Is there any current make or model laptop/notebook/portable computer that is not LED backlit? I am 100% fine with TFT and CCFL backlighting?


Is there any current make or model of Smartphone that is available that doesnt use LED backlighting? I am using the older blackberry curves and my eyes are fine but the phones aren't exactly cutting edge 🙂


Thanks everyone

Mar 10, 2016 5:29 PM in response to ZaneZA

Hi everyone! Well, I'm finally getting around to dealing with this. Just a traumatic couple of years on various levels, and the Mac monitor issue was backburnered. I use my 27-inch, mid 2010 imac on the lowest possible light setting. Not a great workaround as I'm a graphic artist, but I do a lot of my work in the office on a Dell with an old monitor. Not a very powerful machine, but it doesn't give me headaches.


Like many of you, I've used Macs all my life -- NEVER had a problem. Tinkered away on my computer for 12 hours at a time. The issue with the Retina screen was immediate and pronounced, and it's my own fault for not returning the machine right away -- I just pooh-poohed my own reaction. Sadly it never went away. Had a program called Shades installed for a while to help.


I have a tiny MacBook Air, 11 inches, Mid 2012, which has a wonderful non-Retina screen. One of the last before the laptops became Retina as well as the imacs, I believe. No headache problems with the non-Retina Air.


Here's my question. It's time to buy a new machine. What should I do? Those of you who have been tortured, like me, by this new technology -- can you tell me if the 2016 models have the same problem? Ideally I'd like to buy the latest and greatest imac. If not, I've laid hands on an old Apple studio monitor and can maybe try to rig a connection between it and a new laptop. Or, does anyone know if there are any older imacs with non-Retina screens? Last thing I had before my imac was a tower. Old school.


I don't want the new screens to be just better than the old ones -- I want them to be headache free. Can any of you guys speak to that??

HELP, PLEASE!!

Mar 11, 2016 2:19 AM in response to jtl999

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Crowdfunding for what? Custom .kext signing to disable temporal dithering under OSX?


Out of curiosity have you tried any Macbook with a dedicated GPU? (AMD, nVidia) and used gfxCardStatus to enforce using the dedicated GPU.

Sorry for the delayed reply jtl999 - yes we were chatting about having a whip-round to fund development of a custom .kext signing to disable the dithering. Apparently a company called Amulet Hotkey has created the fix already but it's only for their top-end machines (http://www.root6.com/support-2/tips/amulet-they-fixed-os-xs-temporal-dithering-i ssue/). They don't respond to emails unfortunately. The good thing is that we know it's possible and surely worth a try..?


As for your other question, I have tried gfxCardStatus but unfortunately it doesn't work for me. Even when forcing the machine to use the dedicated GPU (Nvidia 8600m GT / Late 2011 Macbook Pro) it still gives me the same symptoms, which made me wonder if the dithering is being applied at another final stage before output, like this multiplexer chip you mentioned. The same symptoms apply if the OS is forced to use the Intel GPU also.


Incidentally, on a PC I bought for home it had an Intel GPU built in. When using this I found the same symptoms, but when putting an Nvidia GFX card into the machine all symptoms stopped. Any thoughts on all of this and do you have an idea of how to go about getting a custom .kext signing? There's a chance that it could help a whole lot of people!

Apr 1, 2016 2:03 PM in response to SimonStokes

Just stumbled upon something potentially amazing in this thread.


Lots of great info in there. These guys seem to have modified a kernel extension called NVInject which disables temporal dithering on both the internal and external monitors in OSX. One user has modified it for 64-bit Kernel which is what everyone here will be using I reckon. This is only for Nvidia cards but apparently works nicely for external monitors particularly. I'm yet to test it but have packaged 2 versions of the extension plus the utility for installing. One version is to disable dithering on external monitors only and one is for both internal and external monitors, available here.

Would be good to get some testing done with this.

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Mar 11, 2016 4:25 PM in response to SimonStokes

OK


Getting kext signing working would be the easy part (is "only" $100 IIRC) but the funding would be nice as I am a student. Harder part would be figuring out how to disable it for each driver.


I believe it would be possible to test out the modified kext first by disabling kext signing enforcement but that would cause security and other problems. I have no problems from dithering (only PWM) so someone would have to test for me.


I believe the Nvidia Injector works by adding an IORegistry value that tells the driver to disable dithering (at least the obnoxious kind). This seems to be driver dependent, someone with an Intel only 2013 Macbook Pro who has dithering problems tried and there was no effect.


So we know forcing nVidia graphics is not enough. Next up is for someone to test with the 2015 MBP (which is dual Intel Iris+AMD R9 370X) (but someone who has dithering sensitivity)

Apr 1, 2016 2:16 PM in response to jtl999

Just to confirm - NVInject only works with Nvidia graphics cards, there is no known solution yet for AMD graphics chips but perhaps experimenting with the extensions posted above will lead to some progress on that front. Looking back at the forum, the modified 64-bit NVInject posted above seemed to work for everyone who installed it?


On another note - I found a great forum that's just getting started relating to all our troubles here***. Since you can narrow down posts by temporal dithering / pwm then it might be a more useful format for people than this massive thread!


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Mar 15, 2016 5:56 PM in response to Phrannest

I've had LED sensitivity since at least 2008 when I first tried a Sony VAIO with LED displays. All the old LED computers pulse width modulation (PWM) are nearly unusable for me. However, I've slowly become able to use most non PWM or very high frequency PWM LED displays and lighting. I've found that for each new device/light source there is a 1-2 week adjustment period required that sometimes results in daily headaches until my eyes/visual system slowly adjusts.


I recently had been using a 2011 iMac non retina display with no difficulty. It has no perceptible PWM. I just got a 5K retina iMac and it's been amazing. It has been very easy to use with minimal to no adjustment period needed. I think it uses three separate LED colors instead of dithering (someone can correct me if wrong). I'd consider giving the 5K retina iMac a try; the screen is really amazing.


I'm still very sensitive to PWM. I've been trying out a Philips Hue system that has a low PWM frequency (easily seen as bars across photos). It has made me dizzy and resulted in headaches, but I'm trying to see if I can adapt to this lighting too. Solid non-PWM LED lights used to be a problem for me but I've adjusted to them over time.

Mar 23, 2016 3:08 AM in response to azure8

Scott98981 - that's interesting, I'd like to try the 5K iMac to see if the RGB LEDs would solve my problem..


azure8 - that's a shame it didn't work, were you able to confirm that it was installed and operating? Also, sometimes these things take a bit of time for your eyes to adjust - I was really hoping that this might be a solution which works for people.


On a side note - iOS 9.3 is out now which features 'Night Shift' - this is essentially like f.lux for your iPhone so for those of you who are particularly sensitive to blue light you can now largely remove this from your iPhone screen.

Mar 28, 2016 6:38 PM in response to azure8

I've noticed activity really drop off in this thread in the past little while. Hopefully you all aren't giving up!


There still seems to be quite a bit of speculation instead of solutions. Having anyone come back with any form of a solution is what people are really looking for. I have given a partial one on an earlier page about a year ago, but since our eyes all hurt, I'll post the tl;dr version!



Symptom Date Range: August 25, 2012 -- present day

Symptoms:

- Photophobia / light sensitivity

- Aching / cramping eyes

- Tension / visual headaches

- Nausea / motion- or sea-sickness


Occupation: Server Administrator

Average VDU usage per week (work + home): 60 hours

Computer Monitor Used (work & home): Dell UltraSharp U2410

Cellphone Used: iPhone 6S+


Partial Solution: (The following steps likely saved my career in IT about a year ago)


- Reducing brightness from 50% --> 0% (causing maximum PWM flicker)

- Changing color temperature from Standard --> Warm

- Installing f.lux to further reduce color temperature from 6500K --> 5000K


Official Diagnosis: Convergence Insufficiency & Accommodative insufficiency - (made by optometrist)

Suggested Diagnosis: Scotopic Sensitivity Syndrome (a.k.a. Irlen Syndrome) - (made by Irlen consultant)



Causation Theory:


I've suffered long enough and gone through enough trial and error to eventually learn a thing or two about what seems to bring on my symptoms. Exposure to an LED backlight will cause a sharp pinching ache in both my eyeballs in minutes or even seconds. It would be akin to turning on your iPhone flashlight and staring directly into it. That's how it feels at almost every brightness level (including 0%). Since the luminescence seems to be rated about the same as my Dell U2410 (CCFL), my causation theory for this is the wavelength of light emitted by LEDs, which is significantly more blue-shifted. My theory is that some of us are sensitive to HEV (High Energy Visible Light), while the majority of the population has no symptoms. This is just my layman theory, and I currently don't have any scientific facts to back that claim up. More clues were gained when I got a "flicker-free" LED monitor from Ben-Q (no PWM), and my issues got worse, even at the lowest brightness levels. So, contrary to the title of this thread, pulse-width modulation (PWM) can be a red-herring for some of us out there, but remember that everybody's case is different!


My other causation theory is just pure overuse, plain and simple. That's why I posted my occupation and amount of hours spent on a digital display above. I have noticed that my eyes are sensitive to all forms of light after overtaxing the eyes after excessive reading, whether that is sunlight or a monitor backlight. I have also experienced the same type of eye strain when reading a lot of print, such as studying for an exam, or reading a product manual. Periods of consecutive rest will somewhat improve symptoms, while consecutive days of heavy usage will make the issues resurface. Reading smaller text, like emails or log files, will bring the issues on quicker as well, which is why I suggest enlarging text wherever possible (Ctrl + Mouse Wheel Up)


So those are my two prime suspects at this time: wavelengths of light viewed (blue-light from LEDs), and constant overuse of the eyes in close-work. I can reproduce my symptoms by staring at a bright LED monitor for a few minutes, or by an extended reading session. I did about 2 years of binocular vision therapy to try to help the "convergence insufficiency & accommodative insufficiency", and was eventually able to score good enough numbers to "graduate". I still have the symptoms described at the top, but after the monitor settings changes I did, I can go much longer before those symptoms come on.


Another hint to score in the "overuse" camp is the fact that I developed an RSI (repetitive strain injury) in both wrists in August 2015 from overuse in typing! I'm currently attending physiotherapy for it, but after all this time, it still has not healed up. I have to wear two heavy-duty wrist splints just to type on a freaking keyboard! I'm not sure how many more hints my body can throw at me that I use computers way too much overall! =p


I'll share any more discoveries I find going forward, should they come!

Mar 28, 2016 7:00 PM in response to MagnuM396

MagnuM396 wrote:


I've noticed activity really drop off in this thread in the past little while. Hopefully you all aren't giving up!


There still seems to be quite a bit of speculation instead of solutions. Having anyone come back with any form of a solution is what people are really looking for. I have given a partial one on an earlier page about a year ago, but since our eyes all hurt, I'll post the tl;dr version!




No wonder activity has dropped off, this thread was started in 2008. If after 8 years a solution has not been posted here I doubt one will be forthcoming. The best advice in this thread is to visit an eye specialist. Certainly you don't want to take medical advice from a stranger in a forum thread.

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