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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Feb 10, 2012 2:07 PM in response to ChanPfan

A Mini DVI connector uses the same Thunderbolt port and connects just as easily... without the user having to live with eyestrain problems due to the display.


There is an article today at Macrumors regarding the possibility that MacBook Pros will be adopting the MBA design later in 2012. (http://www.macrumors.com/2012/02/10/more-claims-of-macbook-pro-adopting-macbook- air-form-factor-in-2012-redesign/) What is troubling to me is the possibility that Apple will use the same crappy displays that are currently being used in the MBAs. And that all displays could become high-resolution.


If that happens I will have to face the possibility that when my MBPs finally bite the dust that I will have to use a Windows laptop in order to obtain a decent display. And I used my first Mac in 1984. I never thought that I would live to see that!


Doesn't anyone at Apple take a look at these forums? Isn't there anybody at Apple who has a problem using the current portable displays? Is there not a single Apple designer who needs to adjust the height of his/her iMac or Apple display?


Apple designs are sure purty but the company has dropped the ball when it comes to designing its hardware with the comfort and health of the user in mind...

Feb 29, 2012 1:53 AM in response to RMartin111

wow this is really interesting....I've just bought (about 6 weeks ago) a macbook pro after my 2007 MBP's graphics card failed.

I've found the same symptoms, motion sickness, eye strain, sensitivity to lights and horrible headaches...

at first i thought it must have been the change to a glossy screen, as imacs also give me a headache within minutes...so i replaced my new 13" model with a 15" matte screen at lots of extra expense, however, whilst not so bad, i'm still getting the motion sickness, eye strain, and sensitivity to lights....

i've also taken a couple of eye tests and almost invested in glasses upon one place's recommendation...glad i didnt as the next place said there's absolutely nothing wrong with my eyes and glasses would be a waste of money...

so where from here...the Dr told me perhaps i havent used computers much recently (possibly true as my old one packed in) so i just needed to build up to prolonged exposure again....but reading the original post in this thread i am beginning to think its LED sensitivity...


I asked many apple "geniuses" if there was any difference in the display between the 2007 model i had and the new ones, if i got a matte screen, to which they said no, perhaps just better resolution.


so have they changed to LED? is that the major difference from my 2007? any advice welcome...



I can't believe they neglected to tell me that as it's something people are obviously affected by...and now my 14 days period is up....


many thanks

Feb 29, 2012 4:24 AM in response to eww

If I may, I think this needs a precision :

All of the Macbooks Pro and, of course, Air, nowadays has LED-backlight, but the LED-backlighting only came with the Macbook (white) Unibody (early 2010) : the models between 2006 and 2009 are not LED-backlighted, but only glossy.


Concerning the Macbook Pro, several of the "old" generation (the one with the DVD-reader on the front) has LED-backlight, but only from the end of 2007 (corresponding more or less with the entry of glossy screen on those computers, even if a "matt" option was still avaiable), and more or less the entry of the Macbook air, featuring a LED screen from the first day.


If you want to check, you can look at the specs on Apple support.


🙂

Feb 29, 2012 4:50 AM in response to Strapontin

Strapontin: I haven't been able to find any specifications that consistently identify the backlight type in MBPs. The Apple specs I've seen don't show that, MacTracker specs don't show it, EveryMac's specs don't show it, and the only source I've seen that somewhat consistently did so was Apple's contemporary advertising, most of which (for older models) is no longer available to consult. But since I know for a certainty that the last PBG4 models had LED backlighting, I stand by my belief that all the other Apple notebooks made since 2005 do too. It would be entirely unlike Apple to back away from such a design feature after introducing it.

Feb 29, 2012 5:07 AM in response to contemporary

That video @comtemporary found is interesting, isn't it? I wonder what frequency the display is pulsing at when at full brightness -- whoever did that experiment knows. There must have been research done into what frequency people can look at for long periods without getting tired eyes (or, more precisely, developing neurological problems as a result).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NKJhHK0bjpw

Feb 29, 2012 5:51 AM in response to @MuDaeBoJongShin

I feel the need to clarify - all MBP's have been LED backlit for years. I personally have no problem with LED backlights in general - my TV doesn't bother me, the monitors I look at all day for work have no effect on me, and my Windows laptop (Lenovo X series) is just fine.


Apple has, in the past couple years, changed SOMETHING about the way they pulse modulate the LED backlights on their Macbooks (and also possibly on their Cinema Displays). I don't know if it's to reduce power consumption or for some other reason, but it's painful.


So to reiterate - it isn't the LED itself that is the problem, it's the modulation of it. Check out that video.


I used to have similar problems with CRT monitors that ran at 60 cycles interlaced. Most people were like "what, that's fine" and I could literally see it pulsating and couldn't look at it for long periods.


Sad as it sounds, I've given up on Macbooks entirely. I still use a Mac Mini (with an LED backlit HP monitor) but I'm back to 100% Windows laptops. That doesn't make me HAPPY, but it keeps the migraines away.

Feb 29, 2012 6:04 AM in response to Gurm42

I see...complicated and it looks like i won't be able to find, with 100% certainty what specs my 2007 mbp had in comparison to my new one, which is a pity as I need to speak to someone from apple and hope they'll accept my case and refund me, what a pity as it's a lovely model!! thx a lot for the quick replies!!

Feb 29, 2012 6:41 AM in response to eww

Eww : It's definitely possible taht some PBG4 is featured with LED backlight display, but I can assure you that the first generation of Macbooks pro, with matt screen (and the dvd reader on the front) doesn't have one untill 2007, so at least 2 generations of it are CCFL backlighted.

That also is one of the issue why Apple redesigned the Macbook (white) in a (short lived) aluminium version and Unibody plastic, to fit the new backlight (LED doesn't need so much "space" (everything is in millimeters, so it's relative) than CCFL ; that's why a Macbook air with a sooo thick screen isn't possible with CCFL).


Concerning the specs, and everymacs, the fact is that, as all of the computers are now, when it's a LED-backlighted display, it's basically advertised (go to the computer shop next door : each laptop will be branded with a "LED screen" label, as if it was the last discorery ever - but they ALL are advertised with this label).


Dj_rag : yeah. It's amazing how much people are (re)active on this thread, but unfortunately, it's only users - and no "official" reaction. Kinda paradoxal, isn't it ?

Howewer, if never you are refunded for your case, keep in touch here, and give us the news, that will be a GREAT first step.

Or just write a letter to Apple in Infinite Loop describing your problems.


I guess they wont take it in consideration, but you know, maybe after 3 000 letters, they'll have a thought to that... nobody knows...

By the way, if you have an Ipad, does it feel the same after using it ?

Feb 29, 2012 7:54 AM in response to Strapontin

afraid I don't have an ipad no....this has been such a strange "journey"...i'd totally convinced myself that (at 31) my eyes were now playing up and these symptoms were just nature taking its cause, even my dr told me it was probably that. It also meant re-evaluating what to do for my career if I can't use computers, as well as all my hobbies involve using computers...kind of depressing...but relieving if the problem will be just with macs!
(i know i can use an external monitor for home use, but not possible for DJing which i need the laptop for)


can i just ask, so if I now look for an alternative, which I suppose will have to be a mac alternative, what should i look out for? (ie, an alternative to LED backlit screens)...is there even one in this day and age? sorry but i didnt really get your paragraph about how they're advertised Strapontin


many thanks again!

Feb 29, 2012 9:27 AM in response to Strapontin

I do have both an iPad 2 and an iPhone 4s.


I do get a little eyestrain from the iPhone, but I've always assumed that it's from the size/resolution/viewing distance (and the fact that I actually _am_ on the cusp of needing reading glasses, being in my late 30's and having had nearsightedness since I was 7).


My iPad, on the other hand, has never given me the first problem.


I'm hopeful that putting a retina display on everything (rumored to be part of the new Macbook spec coming out later this year) will improve the situation. I know I will be spending a LOT of time (like half an hour) playing with an iPad 3 before I consider purchasing it, just in case.

Feb 29, 2012 9:40 AM in response to RMartin111

Hello everyone, like many of you, I have been suffering severely (severe headaches, nauesa, lose of focus, etc.) from the latest Apple LED backlit displays...


I have come a long way before I realize and confirm the problem to be rooted to the LED back light. I have tried many different things, including many of the suggestions sugged by different participants in this forum. Below are some of my findings, some of them may have already been mentioned by other people, nevertheless I hope these info could be useful:


  • the main cause of problem is believed to be due to the frequency of PWM of the LED back light
  • it's not a matter of glossy or matte displays, they could both possess the same problem (I changed my glossy MacBook Air to a matte 17" MacBook Pro, the problem still exists)
  • Not all LED displays has this problem, I could read comfortably on my 27 inch Late 2009 iMac. My iPhones and iPads are all ok too.
  • Unfortunately, all latest non-iOS Apple that I have tried would cause this eye strain problem... I have tried MacBook Air 11", MacBook Air 13", MacBook Pro 17" and Thunderbolt display...
  • If you feel ill looking at these LED screens and wonder if there are something wrong with your eyes, don't be too worry, chances are that your eyes are ok! I too went to optician and eye doctor and have my eyes checked, fortunately, they are healthy.
  • If you have fluorescent light shining directly above the screen, you may feel ill about it quicker... (I have tried many different light settings, changed the window blinds, and even changed the orientation of my desk in my office, I guess my colleagues may thought I'm crazy...)
  • Turning the brightness to max in the MacBook Pro / Air and then use a software dimmer helps a bit, I could look at the screen a bit longer, but eventually after 45min or so, the ill effect would come again... (it's probably because there's still PWM at max brightness as shown in the video referred by @contemporary)
  • The only solution for me to use my mac in office right now is to connect it to an external CCFL monitor...
  • If you want a portable Mac, you may need to look for an old model with CCFL display...
  • So what frequency should the LED backlight be so that sensitive eyes like us would feel comfortable? It seems the answer according to this article is 150Hz. (I don't have a probe, I would love to know what frequency are the Apple screens...)


Apparently, there're only a small percentage of people who have this sensitive eyes... and for those who have this sensitive eyes, I would believe that many of them won't realize that it's the problem of the LED backlight. They would probably think it's due to the glossy display or just feeling tired.

So, the population having this problem is probably higher, just that they don't realize the cause of it...


I really love my Macs... and I'm feeling very sad that I may not be able to use the MacBooks anymore as my eyes feel so sick when looking at the screen... there're already over 100,000 views and hundreds of replies to this thread, but seems the situation isn't improving 😟

Feb 29, 2012 9:52 AM in response to Eric Leung1

I want to clarify what Eric Leung has said.


This problem CAN exist on any LED display, but it seems that the rollout rate of the bad pulsing has occurred at different rates for different models. Macbooks I had NO problem with:


2009-model (purchased in early 2010) MBP 15" Glossy - definitely an LED backlight, but no problems

2010-model (purchased just before the Sandy-Bridge switchover in mid-2011) MBA 13" Glossy - also definitely an LED backlight, also NO problems

2010-model (purchased in early 2011) MBP 17" Antiglare - these were hit or miss. Half the batch we got looked good to me, the other half hurt. The one I bought for my wife is just fine.


That said, EVERY current-gen model Apple offers hurts me to look at.


I went so far as to analyze panels, and it isn't the panel itself, it's the way they're driving it. The panel on my wife's MBP 17" is the SAME MODEL (an LG) as the panel on a different 17" that hurts.

Feb 29, 2012 10:05 AM in response to RMartin111

What about the Thunderbolt display?


80% of the time my MBA11 (late 2011) is plugged into my Thunderbot display. But I have terrible headaches. Before purchasing my Apple products, I spent as much (or more) time looking at my Dell plugged into an Acer 27" without any issues. Now my eyesight is definitely diminishing (when I drive or watch TV).


So is this PWM issue from the MBA or the Tbolt? Or both? Do I need to go get my Acer monitor back?


I appreciate any feedback as it seems I made a $2000 mistake!

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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