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Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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Jun 7, 2012 5:47 AM in response to Pixel Eater

pixel eater,


here's my case:


old ccfl backlit sony vaio didn't seem to bother my eyes (but now totally obsolete)


samsung q330 - led backlit laptop - horrible for my eyes (burning sensation + they go red but no actual damage according to optician). i could use it for short bursts before but now i can't even bare to switch it on. effect seems to be cumulative.


brand new macbook pro 15" with high res-anti glare screen - led backlit - horrible for my eyes - its not quite as acute as the samsung but its obviously the same problem - I persevered for 10 days, even thought/hoped that the problem might be psychogenic, but now have returned to my senses and sent it back.


v. annoying as all other aspects of the apple were great.


just to be clear, i don't get dizzy or headaches, i just get really sore, burnt feeling eyes. although the symptoms are apparently consistent with simple dryness, eye drops do not solve the problem.


all i know for sure from the 3 screens i've used is that CCFL was ok and LED is horrible. What i'm not 100% clear on is whetehr this means i am likely averse to all LED screens...


looks from this thread like the ipad 3 causes similar issues... is this right?


what about the macbook air - its LED but it seems to be a bit different from the macbook pro but has anyone actually tried it?


what about earlier ipads?


short of carying a seperate screen in a rucksack, i need a laptop - if LED is a no, no, can anyone tell me what the highest spec windows laptop with CCFL is that i can get second hand? - it seems that all new ones are LED...

Jun 7, 2012 6:16 AM in response to sholto3

Here's my case:


I was fine with the 2009-model (early 2010) Macbooks. Loved my Core2Duo MBP to death. This was OBVIOUSLY an LED screen. I could surf it for hours, play games, no problems.


As soon as I went to a late-2010 model things got terrible. I perpetually thought the screen was blurry, but it turned out to just be my eyes hating it.


Out of that late-2010 model line, SOME of the 17's were good. We got a bunch in for work and my wife got one as well. I can use my wife's, no problem. The ones from work, which I set up - some were good and some were bad. I don't know what the difference was between the good and bad ones, other users saw no difference but I saw a clear difference, some hurt my eyes and some did not with IDENTICAL SETTINGS.


Now I have given up on Macbooks entirely - which makes me very sad. I use a Mac Mini with a decent monitor but even that makes my brain hurt after a while, even though a PC hooked up to the same monitor has no such problems. The monitor is LED - it's hard to find CCFL ones nowadays.


I had similar problems with new PC laptops, I am currently using a Lenovo X220 with an LED screen, and I can use it for hours without issue. A newer X220 with SUPPOSEDLY the same screen makes my eyes hurt. Other new Lenovos with LED screens make my eyes hurt.


It's VERY hit or miss, but it's EVERY Macbook now. The Air was LESS terrible than the others, because it uses a different screen.


I know my iPad2 isn't a retina display - and it's fine. No problems. My iPhone 4s is ... ok, but if I play a game on it for an hour straight my eyes WILL hurt. I don't know in the case of the iPhone whether it's the display or the size and distance from my face, as it is really in the "should I take my glasses off for this or not" range so it's hard to tell.


I haven't had a chance to play with an iPad3 yet. But I suspect it won't be pleasant.


I don't know what is going on with these LED displays.


I can use my monitor - an HP LED-backlit one - all day without trouble if I am running it from my PC. If I plug the Mac Mini into it, it quickly becomes intolerable.


I am beginning to wonder if we aren't seeing a COMBINATION of causes - the LED technology PLUS what is driving it? Is there a 50hz/60hz issue happening? Is there some combination of how many hz the video card is pushing plus how bad the LED backlight is that causes the problems?


Unclear. But very very frustrating.

Jun 7, 2012 9:34 AM in response to Gurm42

The LED problem is hit or miss...


I cannot stand the 11" MBA display but my 13" MBP is OK these days. At first it gave me problems but not as bad as the MBA. Calibrating it using suggestions in this thread improved things a lot. I added a Power Support anti-glare film to get rid of glare and reflections.


As far as CCFL external displays go, NEC has 28 models starting at $300 MSRP. I am using an NEC2490WUXi2 (discontinued earlier this year) that causes me zero problems. It is built like a tank and comes with a four year warranty.


http://www.necdisplay.com/category/desktop-monitors This link hopefullly shows just the CCFL backlit displays. If not, use the links on the left side of the webpage to find CCFL displays.

Jun 7, 2012 1:31 PM in response to Gurm42

Gurm42 wrote:


I can use my monitor - an HP LED-backlit one - all day without trouble if I am running it from my PC. If I plug the Mac Mini into it, it quickly becomes intolerable.




Now THAT is very interesting! And the difference in how you experience different displays that have identical settings is also a perplexing piece of the puzzle...


Gurm42's post may offer some clues to why LED display sensitivity varies from person to person and model to model/different samples of the same display model. (Like Gurm42, my early 2008 LED-backlit 15" MBP didn't cause me any problems.)


I wish that I could think of someone that we could forward these details to who might have the technological background to put it all together. TFT Central comes to mind; I wonder if someone following this thread can suggest someone else?

Jun 8, 2012 8:16 PM in response to MisterMojo

I could think of one possible reason why the HP LED monitor feels more comfortable when connected to the PC than the Mac.


The way how PC (Windows) and Mac renders texts are different. Windows tends to renders the texts sharply but with rougher edges. Mac renders texts in a smoothed way, but that tends to make them feel a little bit blurred sometimes.


The funny thing is, I found that OSX smooths the texts differently on different displays. While it could smooth the texts in a nice crisp way on an Apple display, it sometimes smooth the texts too much on other displays brand that made them hard to read! The effect will be more apparent if the screen has a lower dpi.


The eyes may not feel the difference immediately, but may eventually tired out (and thus cause the discomfort) as they are trying hard to focus and read the blurred texts.


Here's a link with instructions on how to change the font smoothing in OSX:

http://hints.macworld.com/article.php?story=20090828224632809

Jun 8, 2012 9:02 PM in response to Eric Leung1

Windows 8 takes font smoothing to a new level, it's really good. I always found Apple's sexy though.. in my mind it's the most sincere approach to typography. For what it's worth, Windows almost certainly didn't adjust ClearType differently for each monitor. No matter, text was definitly not central to the complications I ran into. Eye focus through a mirror finish and moreover some impossible to specify variance between LED lighting solutions are still main factors I'd have to implicate. I really do think if the Cinema Display was matte, the problem would persist. I did have a chance to use OS X through both, which didn't really change things.

Jun 11, 2012 12:58 PM in response to rohanzsta

As far as I know the array required to penetrate the density of a retina display more than doubles the amount of LEDs, so I can onlyhypothesize with this comes more of whatever our eyes are incompatible with. The thought always crosses my mind about what's just on the other side of a screen really, and what it would be like to stare at it directly. We are looking at that, just filtered through a special panel. There is always the possibility that there are different qualities of LEDs and more than two ways of driving them and I would really like to believe the kind that have worked for me can find their way into other products. Naturally product development could see new solutions inbound. Maybe, even if it's just a consequence of some engineering requirement, some agreeable LEDs will find their way in. Speculation won't do much for us of course. Let's get around to seeing these.

Jun 12, 2012 1:12 PM in response to RMartin111

hello,


I have come across something I haven't considered before. Normally, there is no way of changing the refresh rate in Snow Leopard and I guess on later systems. Check out the below - I am not sure if it would help but I've just changed the refresh rate on my wife's macbook to 70hz and I am waiting to see if it has any impact. After staring at it for like an hour I suppose my eyes have had enough of LED for today but I thought I would post this for you guys to try out.


http://chantc.blogspot.cz/2007/09/change-macbook-refresh-rate.html


Please post your experience back here so we can conclude if it has any effect at all!


Regards,

Petr

Jun 12, 2012 2:26 PM in response to Slunce

That would matter if we were dealing with CRTs. In that case the rate at which the light fires is altered resulting in an absolute change in what you'll be seeing, comfort and all that. Worth noting, many CRTs can be pushed, but it can quickly become detrimental to their electronics, picture and lifespan. A few, like the Sony FW900 manage a true, but unadvertised 100Hz at decent (not 100% optimal) resolutions. With liquid crystal displays you're not changing anything to do with the LED backlights, you're simply changing how rapidly the liquid crystal through which it shines is updated. 70Hz probably isn't supported or possible. Sure you put in the number, but unless the capability is there (it often isn't) nothing has changed. This would have virtually no benefits, even if it did work. The only interesting rate is 120Hz, but that's only because it's divisible by 24, which is desirable for witnessing true movie framrates (again, with no likely health benefits). That would require a display which boasts this feature.

Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

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