Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

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Sep 15, 2013 10:21 AM in response to spprt

spprt,


Almost assuredly. If the MBP does it, odds are the ultra-high-res retinas do as well. I feel like the first run of 4s's have far less aggressive flickering/dithering/whatever and thus are usable, the later 4s's aren't as good and everything since then has been just dreadful.


But I didn't need a camera. I just put my face real close to the screen and moved my eyes around - same way you can see a spinning wheel clearly by wiggling your eyes or blinking. It's a stroboscopic observation. And it turned up the dancing pixels clear as day. Some friends - who AREN'T sensitive to these things - observed it as well that same day.


Then, of course, I spent two weeks vaguely photosensitive from being that close to a retina display for that long.

Sep 16, 2013 2:50 AM in response to spprt

spprt wrote:


Did you use any special phone camera settings to make the flickering pixels visible? Could you also see them with an iPhone or iPad camera?

I think each camera or phone will need different settings to make it visible. What I found to be the key settings were camera brightness (needs to be reduced), camera focus (had to take a photo of the screen for the phone to get the right focus), and shuter speed (I noticed that with different presets the shutter speed of the phone changes). My other phone couldn't make it visible with almost the same settings. I think a real camera with propper fucus and shutter speeds and so on would be better suited for this purpose.


I have found that there is still a lot that the phone couldn't see. If I reduced contrast slightly in the graphic card's settings, even completely white content was flickering all the time. I did see a reduction when I set the contrast to maximum but I don't know if flicker really become less or if it just became harder for the phone to see the effect with the higher contrast.


Also, I think that the smaller the pixels, the harder it is to detect this phenomenon and the Retina displays could make detection much harder.

Sep 16, 2013 11:30 AM in response to kvoth

There's something weird that is happening to me. I gave my MBP to my sister a year ago. (but not the same model, a remplacement from the Apple Store).

I tried the new a few time, since it was not the same model but still had eye strain.


Today I tried it another time and it looks like the screen is not blinking anymore. I used it the whole day and I'm fine. It's not the best screen I've ever had for my eyes but it's ok.


It's the first time I'm using 10.8.5, can you confirm the issue is still happening with this version of OSX?

I don't pretend to be "cured" and I suspect it is just temporary but I would like to have your answer.

Thanks!

Sep 20, 2013 12:06 AM in response to azure8

The iPhone 4S is known to be the last iPhone inducing no eye strain for people sensitive like us. (At least the first versions)

But, you have to differenciate PWM which affects a lot of devices to the eye strain from the mac/ios (which is not PWM according to other members).


It's been a few days now that I ve been using the MBP and I can say I'm not sensitive to it anymore. As I said earlier, it's not as easy on the eyes as CCFL, but I can use it all the day without issues. I would really like your opinion about the 10.8.5 version.

Sep 20, 2013 3:19 AM in response to logoo88

Just got my brand new iPhone 4s (8GB) - the one that has iOS 7 pre-installed. Eye strain! After 1 hour, I'm close to a headache.


I had a 16 GB iPhone 4s for a while. Eye strain!


But the iPad 4 is very easy on my eyes. I bought it on day 1.


When did you buy your iPhone 4s? Or if it is used, do you know the time it has been sold when it was unused? Maybe there are really different batches or something like that.

Sep 20, 2013 4:09 AM in response to spprt

I just want to confirm for you that there are different versions of the iPhone 4S for sure, presumably all pho My husband has one that I have no significant trouble with. I was always afraid to use it, but on a recent vacation I had to and was shocked that I could. Encouraged by this, I went to my carrier, Verizon, and tried a 4S and a 4. I noticed right away that they "felt" different to my eyes, but I proceeded and got one. Noticing the difference more and more over the first few days, I got the Model and Serial numbers from my husband's machine and asked the Verizon people and the Apple people about getting one. I even checked the internet. Turns out that his model number, MD270LL, was made only for AT&T. He got one of the first ones. No one could tell me exactly what the difference was. Apple, the least helpful, tried to tell me it was all about the SIM cards, but I tried to explain it was much more than that. Finally, they just said that different manufacturers probably use different parts. My model number is MD276LL/A. A, presumably for Apple. I am attaching a link that gives information on on the model numbers. Not much information.http://forum.iphone-developers.com/general-iphone/3996-4s-models-identifers.html

Sep 20, 2013 6:29 AM in response to LovesDogs0415

LovesDogs0415 - Mayby LED's are different.


Here my testing of different types of backlight applied to the matrix LG IPS 32 '. Tests position 1. and 2. done 1-2 months.


1. original matrix EEFL lamp 25 Watt (11000 K) no PWM and light dimmed by limited current - a slight burning sensation in the left eye, the right eye: severe burning and pain behind the eyes

2. halogen 25 Watt (3200 K), and together the same halogen bulb 25 Watt + incandascent bulb 60 Watt (2700 K) - after a few days right eye began to ache (but elsewhere when using EEFL - behind in the upper part of the eye ), no burning sensation at all

3. compact fluorescent lamp OSRAM DULUXSTAR 24 Watt (4000 K) - the best light - from 2 weeks in principle there is no problem (despite the fact that it ends his life cycle after years of work - when cold there are flashes). It is the equivalent of 120 Watt incandescent lamp.

4. compact fluorescent lamp (I do not remember manufacturer) 35 Watt (3200 K) - at once burning eyes ...


What we get from this conclusion? What makes the difference I don't really know. Maybe light spectrum or something else. But the light of fluorescent OSRAM DULUXSTAR is the most good for my eyes.http://www.the-energy-saving-shop.com/produkt.php?la…ampaign=Idealo_GB. For sure that specific IPS 32' LG matrix is not the problem. The light is.



I do not test any LED's so far. I'm not so much interested in it, becouse after using another LG LED monitor in few days I had problems with eyes extending through one month.

Sep 25, 2013 8:14 PM in response to Kxtr73

I plan to spend my next 5 days off work and investigating which phones and computers feel good on my eyes. If anyone has any requests or ideas for how I can test out a lot, please let me know.


In the meantime, I grabbed all of the youtube links in this thread to see what has been posted. Here's a list of all youtube links and their titles thus far.


"HP DreamColor Display - Overview"

youtube.com/watch?v=0bz67BqKdcU



"Iiyama X2377HDS - Screen Flickering"

youtube.com/watch?v=0KvVQ2CGG34



"Slow Motion in Slow Motion (LED vs LCD) Monitors"

youtube.com/watch?v=0lvtqqlhem8



"Galaxy Note 2 LED backlight flickering - what do you think?"

youtube.com/watch?v=4pqKG3mCgPM



"Asus Eee PC: no PWM Flicker!"

youtube.com/watch?v=6rHW1eUE_fc



"LED Incapacitor"

youtube.com/watch?v=9Jsr53yvyrM



"LCD Monitor Teardown"

youtube.com/watch?v=jiejNAUwcQ8



"LCD subpixel video player - Big Buck Bunny (entire video recording)"

youtube.com/watch?v=MFCeBsBz9Qs



"Apple Macbook Air vs Thinkpad T60: PWM"

youtube.com/watch?v=NKJhHK0bjpw



"LED vs CCFL"

youtube.com/watch?v=qKWqfNwTSa4



"Pixel Flicker and Eye Strain"

youtube.com/watch?v=SgtYpQNrV_s



"iMac 2011 + Dell U2410 + MacBook Air 13' 2011 flicker test (240fps)"

youtube.com/watch?v=Thh3uQPPwpI



"Flicker test (240fps): Dell 3007WPF vs. iMac 27' (2011)(low brightness)"

youtube.com/watch?v=TnyechNOKTg



"Hands on - Onyx e Ink Android smartphone"

youtube.com/watch?v=VDJUdefVyeE



"30hz black-white flicker"

youtube.com/watch?v=vdU_DbRp4Og



"galaxy s3 vs lumia 920 camera"

youtube.com/watch?v=yGAMlv_tSnk



"Slow Motion of a Flickering Dimmable LED Light Bulb"

youtube.com/watch?v=zAfWKcg8Bq0



"PWM Flicker on LCD - Oscilloscope Test [Full HD]"

youtube.com/watch?v=zmRypg9UR0s



"LG Cinema 3D Monitor EP4 Flicker 1"

youtube.com/watch?v=_KyeiqrMvTQ



"snow ends view"

youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=WJR1k7I7icA

Sep 26, 2013 6:55 AM in response to ZaneFord

ZaneFord: Happy to give feedback. Plain old LED bulbs absolutely make my nauseous. I get immediate headaches and feel sick for a couple of days after exposure. A holiday party at a neighbor's whose tree was decorated with LED bulbs made me sick. LED-based headlights are impossible to look at. I have recently encountered some kind of LED-flourescent hybrid bulb that is real trouble. I don't know what it is, but it was in place of a standard incandesent flood light in those ceiling "cans" so common in offices and newer houses. It made me more sick than a flourescent ever did and my neighbor has something similar that he said was LED. ???

Bottomline, LED lights are a BIG problem for me. I can look at my iphone 4S but not an LED light.

Sep 26, 2013 9:02 AM in response to ZaneFord

Zane, I don't think there is much evidence supporting any LED light's that do not flicker, it is possible some of them do not however there are two reasons why they do flicker:


1: For dimming, it is how they control brightness through technology such as PWM controllers


2: For energy savings, knowing this means potentially all household/business LED lighting of any kind presumably is flickering. I believe but cannot provide scientific evidence that perhaps most if not all LED lighting technology is flickering in order to save on energy consumption.


And to answer your question: Yes, all forms of LED light give me severe symptoms of migraine and Vertigo for which I am currently on Long term disability. To support my flicker theory Vs. spectrum I will share with you that flickering fire at night also triggers headaches for me starting with my eyes, these usually do not turn into the full migraine effect however it shows full spectrum natural light gives me issues when it flickers. I believe the bright white and blue intensifies the issue greatly but the flicker is a major part of the issue. Hope this helps.

Sep 26, 2013 12:23 PM in response to Jessiah1

I looked into this a while back. Some LED light bulbs flicker and some don't. The cheaper ones tend to flicker. The CREE 60-watt equivalent (about $15) flickers, which is a shame since the light it puts out is fairly yellowish and should otherwise be easy to tolerate. The Philips L-prize bulb (very expensive, award winning) doesn't flicker at all, but the light was too harsh for me to tolerate it. I don't think it's an energy savings issue at all; LED bulbs are already very efficient energy-wise. I think it's that the circuitry to smooth out the rectified waveform (which is what causes the flickering) is (a) expensive, and (b) somewhat bulky, so being able to cram it into something that is the size of a light bulb is a serious engineering feat. Serious engineering feats cost money. For now, I think the compact fluorescents are much better than the LED bulbs, and are likely to remain so for many years. I still prefer good old incandescents, of course 😁


The reason for the flickering has nothing to do with dimming, by the way. Zero, nada, zip. It's because the bulbs are powered by AC current which alternates at 60 Hz. Passing this through a power diode (not a big deal) "rectifies" it into a very bumpy waveform that flickers from zero intensity to full intensity at 120 Hz, which some of us can detect and which causes massive eyestrain among those sensitive to it as your iris repeatedly expands and contracts with the 120 Hz cycle. To reduce the flicker to undetectable levels requires smoothing circuitry which generally includes a big capacitor (bulky, expensive). This is the hard/expensive part, and if nobody complains, the industry won't bother to do it. It's just like the situation with PWM. If you complain enough, they will fix it. They already know how.


I'm certain that the industry knows all about the issues with LED bulb flicker; they put out these inferior bulbs because they know that most people can't tell the difference. However, with the current price of LED bulbs, it will be a long long time until they become commonly adopted, if ever. The best that we can do is complain loudly and write scathing reviews of flickering bulbs on review sites, so that other people understand the issue.

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