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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by sbullock,

    sbullock sbullock Nov 6, 2013 2:36 PM in response to peter_watt
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    Nov 6, 2013 2:36 PM in response to peter_watt

    Peter,

    I get what you are saying, that it is not fair to make a blanket statement " if you value your eyes ....". But you have to understand that 99% of the people who come to this forum are not coming here looking for basic advice on which computer to buy. We came to this forum because we had issues with our eyes due to computer monitor or mobile device and it has affected our health and our lives (and I can tell you the special glasses don't do squat for most of us). We come here seeking advice on what works for people and what doesn't work. The people on this forum have a wide range of issues, so what works for one person might not work for others.

     

    As you can see, there are 90 pages of discussion on this issue. If you read through all of them, you might start suffering from eye strain as well, but I can tell you that there are a number of people on the forum who have done scientific testing with flicker rate and other issues. Count yourself as blessed to not have any of the issues of the people on this forum. And maybe only a small percentage of the population who has these types of issues, but that doesn't mean that the issue should be ignored.

  • by tyxxzy,

    tyxxzy tyxxzy Nov 6, 2013 2:59 PM in response to sbullock
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    Nov 6, 2013 2:59 PM in response to sbullock

    Bravo..well said!

  • by kvoth,

    kvoth kvoth Nov 6, 2013 6:12 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 6, 2013 6:12 PM in response to Jessiah1

    Jessiah1 wrote:

     

    It truly amazes me Apple has not become involved in this post or acknowledged the issue more publicly while working with people like ourselves to remedy it. I cannot count how many people like yourself have stated they are returning brand new computers because they cannot tolerate them, the cost must be adding up exponentially by now. I can only speculate Apple has become so big they are not aware of why so many may be returning their computers, Apple simply continues making higher and higher blue spectrum displays which are obviously an issue.

    Apple never respondes to these issues -- it's just not their style. I don't think we should take it personally.

     

    Look at "antennagate", for example. They never acknowledged or commented on the issue until they fixed it. Plus, this issue isn't limited to Apple. It's tech industry-wide.

     

    I think less energy should be devoted to trying to get Apple to see that there is an issue, and instead spend it with companies that are openly acknowledging thse issue and are trying to fix it.

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 6, 2013 6:47 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 6, 2013 6:47 PM in response to Jessiah1

    I am unable to find that generic email address you mentioned Kvoth posted. Did someone at Apple delete it or what?

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Nov 6, 2013 7:09 PM in response to ArtechokiQ
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    Nov 6, 2013 7:09 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

    Artechokiq

     

    Probably, just search light sickness and contact me there. I have found all the info you posted very useful in explaining the technical issues to others and how they could be related to my health issue.

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Nov 6, 2013 7:11 PM in response to ArtechokiQ
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    Nov 6, 2013 7:11 PM in response to ArtechokiQ

    Are you subscribed to this thread Artechokiq? You will have emails of even deleted posts if you are, could be useful

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 6, 2013 7:27 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 6, 2013 7:27 PM in response to Jessiah1

    Whenever I am trying to search sth in the threads it gives me an Unauthorized

    message. I have a feeling someone is messing with me. I cant see any emails.

  • by ArtechokiQ,

    ArtechokiQ ArtechokiQ Nov 6, 2013 7:30 PM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 6, 2013 7:30 PM in response to Jessiah1

    Or maybe its just me.

  • by wrxtasy,

    wrxtasy wrxtasy Nov 7, 2013 6:45 AM in response to RMartin111
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    Nov 7, 2013 6:45 AM in response to RMartin111

    Whilst I have not read all the pages in this post I can sympathize.

     

    On a related matter tho, I thoroughly recommend a truly amazing little program called F.lux to dim and reduce blue light from modern computer screens.

    It can be completely automated and I believe should be a standard program on all modern devices to help with users eye strain and sleeping patterns.

     

    A great review with links came be had here:

    http://sleepjunkies.com/tools/flux-app-review/

     

    Best piece of free software I have ever downloaded period!!!

     

     

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Nov 7, 2013 7:24 AM in response to wrxtasy
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    Nov 7, 2013 7:24 AM in response to wrxtasy

    Appreciate your positive suggestions, you would have seen this mentioned many times had you read back even 5-10 pages Unfortunatly it does not fix most peoples issue here, it could be because of the subliminal flicker and extreme modulation of LED back lighting.

     

    Another theory could be that since the LED light itself is blue spectrum only; you are technically not filtering out the light but changing the screen to appear filtered which means the harmful spectrum of blue light is still there.

  • by kvoth,

    kvoth kvoth Nov 7, 2013 8:46 AM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 7, 2013 8:46 AM in response to Jessiah1

    f.lux doesn't do much for me.

     

    So far the only thing that has helped me is:

    - the Blue light filtering lenses Jessiah suggested

    - prism (in only the eye I need it)

    - a Dell U2410 CCFL backlit monitor

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Nov 7, 2013 8:58 AM in response to kvoth
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    Nov 7, 2013 8:58 AM in response to kvoth

    How are the anti-glare lens working for you Kvoth? Make a substantial difference, at least under fluorescent lighting?

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Nov 7, 2013 9:01 AM in response to ArtechokiQ
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    Nov 7, 2013 9:01 AM in response to ArtechokiQ

    ArtechokiQ, just google light sickness and you will find me

  • by Kxtr73,

    Kxtr73 Kxtr73 Nov 7, 2013 9:51 AM in response to Jessiah1
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    Nov 7, 2013 9:51 AM in response to Jessiah1

    In search at eye friendly technology I am now testing the rather old MP512 BenQ DLP projector.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_Light_Processing

     

    Impressions are not good. Visible rainbow effect makes that projector unusable for me. Additionaly

    I am dizzy, bemused and soon tired becouse spinning color wheel, which that technology is using. However I can see it's better for my eyes then 3 different LCD monitors. No eye pain. So I will look at LCD projectors now.

     

    Just added your site Jessiah1 to Favorites.

  • by Jessiah1,

    Jessiah1 Jessiah1 Nov 7, 2013 10:29 AM in response to Kxtr73
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    Nov 7, 2013 10:29 AM in response to Kxtr73

    Cool, I would share that I seem to be able to tolerate movie theater DLP technology with no issues, I would bet there are DLP projectors we might find very good for our eyes. I think it would depend on what the source light is for the device and I have no knowledge of how they work....

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