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  • tfouto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    jessiah1

     

    to me flux is the difference between using and not using my monitor.

     

    With flux i dont have any strain/pain whatsoever. If i dont use flux, my eyes start hurting after a time...

     

    Flux will reduce the blue-light. As the screen goes from white to red. The blue component gets minimized to confortable levels to me.

     

    I have difficulty beliving that there are blue light that is bad and blue light that is good. To me it's just unbalanced high energy blue. Excess blue.

     

    UV are bad for the eyes. Only if it is blue light that are near the UV spectrum...

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    Jessiah1 wrote:

     

    Peter, I know it is not related to a CFL, I was stating it's energy use is probably close to that of a CFL and it has no mercury or other hazardous wastes! Much better carbon foot print and healthy light because it is essentially an incandescent light.

    CFL and LED use much lower perentage of watts per lumen than halogen.  Typical low energy bulb that have been forced on Europeans would be 7Watts for 60watt equivalent, not 43.  And they explode quite regularly.

     

    Unfortunately for the followers of this thread, LED will be the final answer if the EU has its way, IKEA will be selling only LED bulbs after 2015.

  • Jessiah1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    tfouto, how do we know it is reducing the blue light? I guess I am looking for a technical answer to exactly what FLUX does to understand why it is helpful but there may not be an exact measurement out there of what it is doing?

  • Jessiah1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Peter, so I guess the halogen incandescent light still uses more energy than a CFL however it meets the requirements in the USA of the "Better use of light bulbs act" so for now it is an option, do you not have these in the EU? I still think the energy savings is bogus on CFL's and LED's, I have heard a lot of business owners complaining about LED's burning out quicker than incandescent. Plus there is all the electronic crap and metals in LED's so I don't understand why the environmental footprint is better, especially since the energy savings are all stated over 25 years and the bulbs burn out sooner. This is all going to blow up in our faces at the landfills, you can compare the LED lighting technology to the Prius with its carbon foot print. Have you picked up some of these LED light bulbs and felt how much they weigh, what is in these things that makes them sooo heavy?

     

    I apretiate your inputs, I can tell your not crazy about the lighting in the EU and I sense you have similar feelings about consumers and not government regulating what is a good product.

    Jesse

  • Jessiah1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Here is a good comparison if anyone cares to read more about these lights:

     

    http://www.energycircle.com/blog/2011/12/6/ec-test-lab-phillips-ecovantage-bulbs

  • Jessiah1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    And here is an article on LED blue light hazards highlighting the French study findings and other information about the effects on the Retina:

     

    http://www.ledsmagazine.com/articles/2010/11/light-and-human-health-led-risks-hi ghlighted.html

     

    The reality is we have governments pushing energy savings and not enough research on the health risks which is pretty much normal if you pay attention to history, remember Asbestos?

     

    Jesse

  • tfouto Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Jesse,

     

    It's reducing blue light. What flux does is change color temperature. just that. Actually Flux changes colour temperature throughout the day. But i just have flux stick always at 5500K. I had set to be always at 5500K.

     

    The white colour of white page on screen at 6500K is all blue, red, green at max. strenght. Reducing colour temperature will make white, warmer at the expense of blue. The screen is more reddish. It's like changing colour calibration of screen. Reducing the blue. I can do that either. In fact before using flux, that's what i made.

  • crazypicard Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    I still can't believe there Is nothing we can do with our diet that can Improve our lives with these

    LED lights. Spinach and Kale are loaded with lutein and zeaxanthin which Is supposed to absorb

    blue light. I have to admit though I have been eating a lot of both and noticed no difference. I just

    can't believe people are curing themselves from crazy problems with a plant based diet yet for our

    problem there Is no solution. The only solution seems to be no exposure to these lights which we all

    know Is Impossible these days.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    Jessiah1 wrote:

     

    Peter, so I guess the halogen incandescent light still uses more energy than a CFL however it meets the requirements in the USA of the "Better use of light bulbs act" so for now it is an option, do you not have these in the EU? ....

     

    I apretiate your inputs, I can tell your not crazy about the lighting in the EU and I sense you have similar feelings about consumers and not government regulating what is a good product.

    Jesse

    Officially we are not allowed to buy any incandescent lights unless they are clear glass which includes these halogen double skin bulbs. Or we can buy incandent bulbs for "special requirements" such as Fireglo, coloured party lights, Neon flicker candles etc.  Anyone who is forced to go either silly shape slow warmup low energy bulbs,  or clear glass with ghastly shadows is unhappy. We have the added complication of having mostly bayonet, with some edison creeping in from Europe.

    So we seek out small back street shops who don't mind importing opal bulbs and flouting the EU "law" or we buy "Rough Service" lamps intended for auto inspection lamps which are effectively the old opal incandescent bulbs.

    Sod the EU, sod climate change, I like my house it with lovely warm incandescents, and they keep the room warmer too. I have a stash of about 50 old time bulbs and I hope they will last me out.  The sooner we are out of Europe the better. Roll on Euro elections and 2017 referendum.

    That was all off topic but it makes me feel better. 

    Sorry also I can't share your eye problem discussions, my Macbook and ipad are no problem to me.

  • fakeman333 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    if a rat is given sweetened water containing a toxin, it will drink it and then vomit. If the next time the same rat is given sweetened water without a toxin, it will still vomit.

     

    This, in a nutshell, is what is happening to you people.

     

    You have become allergic to most kinds of displays after your initial exposure to flickering LED. Most people who suffer a bad reaction to LED backlights will, at some point in time, also become allergic to CCFL

  • Exandas Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    That did not happened to me. If after my exposure to LED displays and experiencing the discomfort, return to my old trusted ccfl displays, the eye strain and all the other symptoms go away after a few hours/days.

    Currently, and after all this exposure to LED displays in the last 3 years, I have not become allergic to ccfls.

  • peter_watt Level 3 Level 3 (905 points)

    fakeman333 wrote:

     

    if a rat is given sweetened water containing a toxin, it will drink it and then vomit. If the next time the same rat is given sweetened water without a toxin, it will still vomit.

     

    This, in a nutshell, is what is happening to you people.

     

    You have become allergic to most kinds of displays after your initial exposure to flickering LED. Most people who suffer a bad reaction to LED backlights will, at some point in time, also become allergic to CCFL

    Your medical or psychiatric quaifications? or a citation link?

  • LovesDogs0415 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Get off this list, please.  We don't need people spouting their theories without compassion or any kind of competency.  Single, initial exposures do not cause the psychological response to which you refer.  The idea has a modicum of merit but was poorly shared without references and using crass language. 

  • Jessiah1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    fakeman333

     

    While I do not approve of your rather insulting approach to the situation; coming into a place where people are suffering and discounting everything they are going through in one fell swoop, I will respond to your statement because there is a reason to respond.

     

    What you are referring to is called Psychosomatic behavior, there is nothing wrong with suggestion this as a possible issue however diagnosing people without credentials is foolish.

     

    Now that is out of the way I have something to share with everyone for productive reasons. I have considered very seriously and with complete acceptance that I could have a Psychosomatic disorder, after bringing this to my Neurologist and rolling it around for several weeks the conclusion is there is only a slight possibility I have a Mixed Psychosomatic response to LED and CCFL lighting. Ruling out a Psychosomatic behavior is a very personal journey and should be done with the guidance of a trusted medical professional, over exposing yourself to days or weeks of painful LED computing is not a good idea and was not recommended by my Neurologist who is extremely credentialed in her field of Neurological headache specialist's.

     

    The only reason I will discuss this here is because we have not yet done so and I want to share my experience with this theory.

     

    There is a problem with the Rat test, the poison was taken away, for us nothing is taken away and what is bothering us (Harmful Blue light levels) has scientifically been proven to be harmful to our eyes. There is some debate on how harmful however no scientist is saying staring at blue light that measures in the harmful spectrum is ok for our retina for long periods of time. In fact there is serious concern about increased early Macular Degeneration with the increase to exposure of blue light through our tablets and computer usage in recent years. I have spoken directly and indirectly with Dr.'s in the field of light who are certain of this, you will have to trust me, I am not going to go any further with this information are provide quotes without permission. There are articles out there about this as well where you can confirm the inital findings on the effects of blue light and our retina: http://www.thinkspain.com/news-spain/22749/led-lighting-damages-eyes-says-spanis h-investigator

     

    So my experience:

     

    8-9 years ago I went into a new Target store that had those fluorescent lights with reflective metal squares under them. This was my first experience with Vertigo and headaches resulting from light however I did not really understand it then. I became sweaty, had nausea, disorientation and a headache. I somehow knew it was the lighting but I do not know how I knew that, instinct.

     

    I did not have another issue for at least 7 years however when I think back I believe for a long time I have always been irritable, agitated and struggled focusing with long periods of fluorescent lighting exposure, this could explain my ADHD diagnoses in high school. It was about 4 years ago when my serious issues began, why did I not develop a Psychosis issue after the first experience?

     

    The order in which my issue's developed:

     

    1. Moved into a new building at work with different fluorescent lighting, immediately started having constant headaches and eye strain
    2. CCFL monitors were an issue as well, compared to LED not as intense however bad enough not to be able to function normally
    3. Found that anti-glare coatings helped me feel almost normal under the fluorescent lighting and using CCFL monitors after an inconsistent migraine sufferer recommended them to me
    4. My company changed the overhead lighting to LED, I was positive and hopeful they would be better based on what I was reading and I would not need to wear the glasses, wrong.
    5. I had such severe migraines and Vertigo I vomited and lost ability to think or function
    6. I have been on disability ever since, trying filters and medications, nothing works well
    7. The Psychosis theory has been beat to death for me through hidden triggers over the last two years, many times
    8. My in-laws decided to test me, they have overhead light fixtures with incandescent light bulbs in them that have white covers so you cannot tell what kind of bulbs are in them. They replaced the kitchen one with a CFL, I remember saying in my head "I know all the lights in this house are incandescent, why I am getting a headache standing in the kitchen?" during one visit. Then I asked, "Is there a LED or fluorescent light somewhere because I am getting really sick!?" And then the big reveal, oh yea, we put one in the Kitchen light. Perfect blind test and this has happened to me many times, especially when I try a new restaurant or new store, there are hidden LED's everywhere.
    9. My Neurologist feels a concussion around the same time my symptoms started could be what increased my sensitivity and that I have had a level of sensitivity for years due to previous concussions when I was younger.
    10. This is Wki so it is not gospel but it is a good place to start for understanding PCS if you want to know more about concussions and headaches, the difficulty with diagnosing someone with this issue lies in the fact that brain damage from a concussion may not even show up on an MRI years later. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Post-concussion_syndrome

     

    Honestly, even if I had a Psychosomatic response the pain is still the same and I would have to find a way to treat it and my Neurologist advised me that overexposing myself to LED lighting and saying to myself "There is nothing wrong" will not solve my problem and could exacerbate the issue!

     

    It is possible some may have a Psychosomatic response, particularly if you have experienced other Psychosomatic pain in your life. However, does anyone really believe that there is a sudden increase in Psychosomatic response's that warrant's a thread that has almost 400K views and almost 2K replies?

     

    Light sensitivity is not new and there are many individuals that are sensitive to light for so many reasons so if the quality of light being used by our devices is offensive or measures in the harmful spectrum it can and will increase the number of people who are sensitive.

     

    Long rant I know however a needed response to Mr. Fake and his topic he decided to shove down our throats, I hope some find this information and my experiences helpful. I do not provide all this information because I want to hear myself talk, I truly hope to further the discussion and help those who are suffering.

     

    Jesse

     


  • Jessiah1 Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)

    Peter, I have a stash you wouldn't believe of incandescent light bulbs, when people realize how much they miss them I will be the guy!

     

    lol

     

    Jesse