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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by Exandas,

    Exandas Exandas Apr 15, 2015 3:42 AM in response to Gurm42
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    Apr 15, 2015 3:42 AM in response to Gurm42

    Have you tested the Nokia 635 for some time? I haven't tested it, but all Windows phones i got in my hands caused me eye strain and headache in a few minutes, so I haven't even bothered to look for windows devices for further testing (in the past i played for a while with 920 which was a disaster).  It would be a pleasant surprise if this one is ok.

  • by Gurm42,

    Gurm42 Gurm42 Apr 15, 2015 5:06 AM in response to Exandas
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    Apr 15, 2015 5:06 AM in response to Exandas

    Exandas,

     

    I also feel the same way about Nokia Windows Phones, the 635 was a HUGE surprise. I only played with it for like 10 minutes, but with any other Nokia, 2-5 minutes was enough to give me severe pain. So I make no guarantees about the 635.

     

    I'm really on the fence. Yesterday after spending half the day fiddling with phones I had a MAJOR headache, I'm going to keep my fingers crossed that iOS 8.3 stays stable on the 4s, replace the batter, and keep it a little longer.

  • by Exandas,

    Exandas Exandas Apr 15, 2015 6:21 AM in response to Gurm42
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    Apr 15, 2015 6:21 AM in response to Gurm42

    It seems low end Android devices are more tolerable to my eyes. I have been able to use Galaxy Duos and Alcatel C5. I can use both for doing my everyday office tasks, and using the Crizal lenses are significantly easier on my eyes.

  • by Gurm42,

    Gurm42 Gurm42 Apr 15, 2015 6:35 AM in response to Exandas
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    Apr 15, 2015 6:35 AM in response to Exandas

    Galaxy Duos... which revision? S4? S5?

  • by Exandas,

    Exandas Exandas Apr 15, 2015 8:09 AM in response to Gurm42
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    Apr 15, 2015 8:09 AM in response to Gurm42

    Sorry for this, I meant the Samsung Galaxy Grand Duos I9082.

  • by Gurm42,

    Gurm42 Gurm42 Apr 15, 2015 8:33 AM in response to Exandas
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    Apr 15, 2015 8:33 AM in response to Exandas

    Oh! I wish I could get a phone with a low-res screen here, this is why the Nokie 635 seems to be decent I think because the screen is only 960x540 or something similar, and the lower-resolution screens tend to be cheaper/older leftover units I believe.

  • by azure8,

    azure8 azure8 Apr 18, 2015 12:12 PM in response to Gurm42
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    Apr 18, 2015 12:12 PM in response to Gurm42

    Has anyone tried the new Macbook 12"?

  • by Scott98981,

    Scott98981 Scott98981 Apr 18, 2015 3:48 PM in response to azure8
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    Apr 18, 2015 3:48 PM in response to azure8

    I tried it for an hour last night and seemed to be pretty easy to use. Much less eye strain than the Pro. One caveat is that I can now use all iPads, iPhones, and MacBook Airs without problems (I've adapted at long last). I still can't use MacBook Pros yet.

  • by dgligorov,

    dgligorov dgligorov Apr 19, 2015 9:27 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Apr 19, 2015 9:27 PM in response to RMartin111

    Update:

     

    The golden combo I found to work for me is
    Dell ST2410 (150$ refurbished) + Gunnar glasses (30$ best buy deal, 70$ regular)

     

    BTW I tried the LOC ABL monitor (200$), it's does lower a lot the strain, but still DELL CCFL monitors are better.

    This issue is by no means related to prescription glasses, I took Gunnars prescription + Carl Zeiss lenses too (320$), I find the regular generic glasses work just great.

     

    That setup works great for me for my daily job, but I still need to find solution when mobile.

    Need to replace iPhone 5 with something (no clue what to look for!??)

    Replace MPB with CCFL laptop. So far found that there are Lenovo ThinkPads still produced this way (not all models)

  • by CT,

    CT CT Apr 5, 2016 11:05 PM in response to dgligorov
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    Apr 5, 2016 11:05 PM in response to dgligorov

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  • by Gurm42,

    Gurm42 Gurm42 Apr 20, 2015 11:16 AM in response to dgligorov
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    Apr 20, 2015 11:16 AM in response to dgligorov

    dgligorov,

     

    Which Lenovo models still come in CCFL? I didn't think there were any at this point... I'd be extremely interested in trying one out!

  • by dgligorov,

    dgligorov dgligorov Apr 20, 2015 11:27 AM in response to Gurm42
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    Apr 20, 2015 11:27 AM in response to Gurm42

    Based on the results returned (most for replacement screen parts) search for the laptop model
    http://www.amazon.com/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keyw ords=Lenovo%20ThinkPad%20CCFL

  • by Gurm42,

    Gurm42 Gurm42 Apr 20, 2015 11:56 AM in response to dgligorov
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    Apr 20, 2015 11:56 AM in response to dgligorov

    Unfortunately, there is not a single model in that list that is still in production, most went out of production in 2011, a couple in 2012. Sorry.

  • by Gurm42,

    Gurm42 Gurm42 Apr 20, 2015 11:57 AM in response to Gurm42
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    Apr 20, 2015 11:57 AM in response to Gurm42

    My main workhorse laptop, by the way, which my eyes LOVE, is an LED-backlit Dell XPS17 with 120hz 3D display... which I run in regular non-3D mode. I don't know what they did DIFFERENTLY on that machine, which was produced at the end of 2011 so it's now 3.5 years old... but it's GORGEOUS.

  • by azure8,

    azure8 azure8 Apr 20, 2015 4:55 PM in response to Scott98981
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    Apr 20, 2015 4:55 PM in response to Scott98981

    I've never gotten used to the Air, but if the new Macbook is bearable, I will go with it.

     

    I currently use a new Dell XPS 13 for work and it's so much lighter than my old white macbook.

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