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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by ethan1el,

    ethan1el ethan1el Aug 29, 2016 12:19 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Aug 29, 2016 12:19 PM in response to RMartin111

    I've noticed that my eyes almost stop hurting when I use my macbook against a bright background. Also, my eyes seem to have adapted to the new screen over time as well.

     

    Also looking in the back behind the screen helps relief the eye strain.

     

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  • by ethan1el,

    ethan1el ethan1el Sep 2, 2016 1:47 PM in response to ethan1el
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    Sep 2, 2016 1:47 PM in response to ethan1el

    In this lighting my eyes don't hurt at all. Plus I use flux for nighttime which makes it better.

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  • by flexlight,

    flexlight flexlight Sep 13, 2016 9:02 AM in response to RMartin111
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    Sep 13, 2016 9:02 AM in response to RMartin111

    I have been a Windows user since 3.1 and only jumped over to Mac within the last 18 months. Within a short time of using my iMac, I started to get bad eye strain and after-image/flicker when looking away/closing my eyes.

     

    My system is running with an Nvidia card, which I've installed the alternate web driver for. I have also installed SwitchresX and set the resolution to 'billion of colours' to maybe help but there isnt much difference.

     

    Check out the ledstrain web site, there are in depth discussions about these modern problems.

     

    I have found every *nix based OS I try (including OS X) has this 'flickering' issue. After a lot of googling I believe it is simply that Mac OS has temporal dithering enabled by default. I can replicate the same effects on a W10 laptop using an app to switch on temporal dithering.

     

    There is a solution but involves using a kext signed by Amulet Hotkey, it also checks that you are using AHK hardware (a very expensive dongle!). I am also annoyed that there are no options in the official Nvidia driver to disable dithering.

     

    So the question is Apple, are you going to open up OSX to allow us to disable dithering, do the community crowdfund a kext to disable it, or do you lose more business over this very serious yet completely avoidable issue?

  • by CT,

    CT CT Sep 15, 2016 5:08 AM in response to flexlight
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    Sep 15, 2016 5:08 AM in response to flexlight

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  • by rpmiller4,

    rpmiller4 rpmiller4 Sep 19, 2016 5:05 PM in response to samueljlevine
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    Sep 19, 2016 5:05 PM in response to samueljlevine

    Not true. I have a retina display iphone 4s (in fact, I have a lot of them as insurance) and I NEVER get migraines using them for long continuous indefinite periods of time. I tried the iPhone 5 and the 5s, and I notice migraines within 5 - 15 minutes, and faster if I've already been exposed. I recently wanted to try the iPhone 7, as the 4s can't load some modern webpages (it crashed on me recently while loading the iPhone 7 page), and is no longer supported by the latest iOS. Even with newly acquired migraine medication, I'm still getting moderate to severe nausea, peripheral pain, etc.

     

    The point here is, something has changed between the iPhone 4s and the iPhone 5 and on to iPhone 7 that's severely debilitating to some of us. I've had the same problem with various laptop displays including just about anything made after about 2010. But anytime I go back to an old monitor, I feel tremendous relief, even if it takes a few days for the migraine to fully dissipate.

     

    The problem is I can't replace the iPhone 7 display to solve my problem, I can only mess with the settings, or eventually, get rid of it. Unfortunately, there isn't much in the way of display settings for the iPhone 7 despite it being an extraordinary device in every other way.

  • by Zini316,

    Zini316 Zini316 Sep 21, 2016 5:44 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Sep 21, 2016 5:44 PM in response to RMartin111

    Evening everyone,

     

    I few years ago I purchased a MacBook Pro and I had to return because how much it hurt my eyes, made me nauseous etc. I never had an issue with my iPhone until I updated my iPhone 5 to both iOS 8 & iOS 9. For a few weeks I could barely use my phone. Then one day the eye strain, neck pain and headaches went away. I upgraded to an iPhone 6s & ipad air2 and didn't have any issues until I updated to ios 10 on both devices this past Saturday. Since then the eye strain, neck stiffness, headaches all came back. On top of that using the Apple TV 3rd gen causes the same symptoms. even the Samsung tvs I own are causing symptoms.

     

    Does anyone have any ideas of what might be going on? I have an eye appointment in a week to make sure my eyes are ok, but not only is this frustrating, it's quite scary how quickly this can happen.

  • by Zini316,

    Zini316 Zini316 Sep 21, 2016 6:00 PM in response to Scott98981
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    Sep 21, 2016 6:00 PM in response to Scott98981

    Scott,

     

    While you went through the 3 weeks of discomfort did you reduce your usage on the device or kept it the same?

  • by ethan1el,

    ethan1el ethan1el Oct 3, 2016 12:45 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Oct 3, 2016 12:45 PM in response to RMartin111

    I COMPLETELY SOLVED MY EYESTRAIN ISSUES.

     

    So I purchased this antiglare screen protector from Moshi and applied it to my screen.

    The text is now much softer and easier to read. The eyes don't hurt any more AT ALL.

     

    Try it out. Seriously.

    https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/890414-REG/Moshi_99mo040904_iVisor_Pro_fo r_Retina.html

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