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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by Eric Leung1,

    Eric Leung1 Eric Leung1 Feb 29, 2012 10:14 AM in response to ChanPfan
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    Feb 29, 2012 10:14 AM in response to ChanPfan

    @ChanPfan, I have tried a 2010 MacBook Air 11 and also a Thunderbolt display, it seems they both have this problem...

  • by Eric Leung1,

    Eric Leung1 Eric Leung1 Feb 29, 2012 10:22 AM in response to @MuDaeBoJongShin
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    Feb 29, 2012 10:22 AM in response to @MuDaeBoJongShin

    @MuDaeBoJongShin, yes, that's what I believe to be the case..

    I really do hope Apple could investigate into this problem...

  • by ChanPfan,

    ChanPfan ChanPfan Feb 29, 2012 10:23 AM in response to Eric Leung1
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    Feb 29, 2012 10:23 AM in response to Eric Leung1

    Thanks.  Sigh. I'll try to find my old Acer display.

     

    Do you kwow if an MBA11 will power it? (I do have a tbolt to HDMI converter).

  • by Eric Leung1,

    Eric Leung1 Eric Leung1 Feb 29, 2012 10:30 AM in response to ChanPfan
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    Feb 29, 2012 10:30 AM in response to ChanPfan

    You are welcome!

    If your acer accepts HDMI, I believe your MacBook Air could drive it with the converter.

  • by Gurm42,

    Gurm42 Gurm42 Feb 29, 2012 11:58 AM in response to @MuDaeBoJongShin
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    Feb 29, 2012 11:58 AM in response to @MuDaeBoJongShin

    Thank you MuDaeBoJongShin for that information!

     

    That sounds like it could entirely be the case - that the backlight and the panel are unrelated. Regardless of whether it's the light itself or a chip driving it that is the problem, I think we're really close to narrowing down the cause.

     

    And yes, the new Thunderbolt display is DEFINITELY affected. The older Cinema Displays not so.

  • by azure8,

    azure8 azure8 Feb 29, 2012 4:38 PM in response to Strapontin
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    Feb 29, 2012 4:38 PM in response to Strapontin

    "All of the Macbooks Pro and, of course, Air, nowadays has LED-backlight, but the LED-backlighting only came with the Macbook (white) Unibody (early 2010) : the models between 2006 and 2009 are not LED-backlighted, but only glossy."

     

    Yup, exactly. Just received a white unibody, can't stand the screen. I'm back on an older Macbook. Also had the latest Air 13" and Pro 13", and couldn't bear it. I'm hoping the situation changes with the retina display update for macbooks, but if it doesn't I need to find a way to retrofit a CCFL backlit panel into the newer macbooks, otherwise I'll be stuck @ 2008 speeds.

  • by dj_rag,

    dj_rag dj_rag Feb 29, 2012 7:08 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Feb 29, 2012 7:08 PM in response to RMartin111

    Seeing that a) some very knowledgable people have been really helpful here and b) that I'm considering paying the £500 that a new graphics card for my 2007 mbp will cost to keep me going whilst giving me time to really research a top spec laptop I can buy that won't hurt my eyes, I wanted to quickly ask - can I buy this graphics card replacement somewhere else (hopefully cheaper) or does it have to be from apple ( and can I fit it myself? )

    How specific are these cards? (for example does it have to be exactly the same etc)sorry, real rookie with all this!

     

    I need a top spec laptop to produce music and play out as a dj using high tech software but I'm still learning it now and am happy to put months into learning it before searching some decent gigs(the dream!), so a fixed laptop that I know and has served me well seems tempting now. However is a mbp from 2007 about to fall apart in all aspects?

     

    Sorry to go slightly off topic, but it seems better to ask people who already know the background! Many many thanks in advance...

  • by carl wolf,

    carl wolf carl wolf Feb 29, 2012 8:18 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Feb 29, 2012 8:18 PM in response to RMartin111

    "I need to find a way to retrofit a CCFL backlit panel into the newer macbooks,"

    Impossible.

  • by greenyouse,

    greenyouse greenyouse Feb 29, 2012 8:56 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Feb 29, 2012 8:56 PM in response to RMartin111

    Wow there are a TON of posts about this!  Has anyone tried: ctrl+option+apple button+8?

     

    This inverts the display colors so the screen is way easier on the eyes after a few hours of use or in low lighting environments (plus it makes surfing the Internet  way cooler).  That's crazy that there are so many people with this problem and no way to put a new backlight lamp in!

  • by azure8,

    azure8 azure8 Feb 29, 2012 9:55 PM in response to greenyouse
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    Feb 29, 2012 9:55 PM in response to greenyouse

    The inverter is neat tip. Although it may help, I still felt motion sickness staring at the screen.

  • by azure8,

    azure8 azure8 Feb 29, 2012 10:14 PM in response to azure8
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    Feb 29, 2012 10:14 PM in response to azure8

    Anyone have experience with the 15" MBP matte low res? I've used a 2010 glossy low res, and although it's better than the new Air and Pro 13", it was barely tolerable.

  • by Eric Leung1,

    Eric Leung1 Eric Leung1 Mar 1, 2012 9:07 AM in response to dj_rag
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    Mar 1, 2012 9:07 AM in response to dj_rag

    @dj_rag, I don't think you can upgrade the graphics card of your MacBook Pro. The one you looked at was probably a graphics card upgrade for the desktop Mac Pro instead.

     

    Maxing out the RAM and changing the hard drive to a SSD are probably the only performance upgrades that can be done for the MacBook Pro.

  • by dj_rag,

    dj_rag dj_rag Mar 1, 2012 9:11 AM in response to Eric Leung1
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    Mar 1, 2012 9:11 AM in response to Eric Leung1

    Hey Eric...thx for your help...

    it wouldn't be an upgrade, just a replacement - what happened was i took it to a genius bar and the apple genius did some tests on it and said it was a failed graphics card...+ prob the most expensive repair, something around £500

  • by dj_rag,

    dj_rag dj_rag Mar 1, 2012 9:46 AM in response to dj_rag
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    Mar 1, 2012 9:46 AM in response to dj_rag

    well this is odd...I just looked at "about this mac" in the top left corner, then "more info", then "displays" and it says "Built-in Color LCD Display"

     

    hmmmm, LCD? I thought we were all having problems because it was LED backlit, not LCD...this is confusing me now lol!

     

    (it also has a pic of the glossy screen mbp, and mine is the silver bezel matte version - so perhaps that's why?)

     

    well...after looking at some PC's today, + getting used to the idea of viruses again! the thought of not using macs again was too depressing, and I reckon a mac mini will suit my needs fine, however i'm confused now - am i looking for an LED or LCD monitor to go with it!?

    lol

  • by MisterMojo,

    MisterMojo MisterMojo Mar 1, 2012 10:01 AM in response to dj_rag
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    Mar 1, 2012 10:01 AM in response to dj_rag

    An LCD display can be either LED or CCFL backlit.

     

    Take a look at NEC displays. The company has thirty CCFL displays starting at $300 MSRP; they can often be found at a discount. So far I have only found anti-glare displays from NEC. B&H Photo regularly has NEC displays at a discount. I snagged an $899 NEC for $549 in December.

     

    You can sort displays using the type of backlighting at http://www.necdisplay.com/category/desktop-monitors.

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