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Q: Eye strain from LED backlighting in MacBook Pro

There is one relatively serious con of the new LED backlit displays in the new MacBook Pros that seems to not get too much mention in the media. About a month ago I bought a new MacBook Pro to replace my standard white MacBook. One feature of the MacBook Pro that I was unaware of was the introduction of the LED backlit display to replace the CCFL backlight.

Once I started using my new laptop for long periods of time, I noticed severe eye strain and minor symptoms almost similar to motion sickness. After 20 or 30 minutes of use, I felt like I had been looking at the screen all day. Much longer and I would get headaches. If I used the old white MacBook (with its CCFL display), I had no eye troubles at all. Moreover, I could detect a distinct flicker on the MacBook Pro display when I moved my eyes across it - especially over high contract areas of the screen. White text on a black background was virtually impossible for me to read without feeling sick to my stomach because of all the flickering from moving my eyes over the text.

The strangest thing about all of this was that nobody else I showed the screen to could see these flickers I was seeing. I began to question my sanity until I did a little research. Discovering that the MacBook Pro introduced a new LED backlit display started to shed some light (so to speak) on what might be going on. I had long known that I could see LED flicker in things like car taillights and christmas lights that most of my friends could not see. I also knew that I could easily see the "rainbow effect" in DLP televisions that many other people don't see.

My research into LED technology turned up the fact that it is a bit of a technological challenge to dim an LED. Varying the voltage generally doesn't work as they are essentially designed to be either on or off with a fixed brightness. To work around this limitation, designers use a technique called pulse width modulation to mimic the appearance of lower intensity light coming out of the LED. I don't claim to fully understand the concept, but it essentially seems to involve very briefly turning off the LED several times over a given time span. The dimmer the LED needs to appear, the more time it spends in the off state.

Because this all happens so very quickly, the human brain does not interpret the flickers as flickers, rather as simply dimmer light. For most people that is. Some people (myself included) are much more sensitive to these flickers. From what I can tell, the concept is called the "flicker fusion threshold" and is the frequency at which sometime that is actually flickering is interpreted by the human brain as being continuously lit. While the vast majority of people have a threshold that doesn't allow them to see the flicker in dimmed LEDs, some people have a higher threshold that causes them to see the flickering in things like LED car tail lights and, unfortunately, LED backlit displays - leading to this terrible eye strain.

The solution? I now keep my screen turned up to full brightness to eliminate the need for the flicker-inducing pulse width modulation. The screen is very bright, but there are no more flickers and I love my MacBook Pro too much to exchange it for a plain MacBook with CCFL backlighting (which will also supposedly be switching to LED backlighting in 2009 anyway.) The staff at my local Apple store was of course more than helpful and was willing to let me exchange my glossy screen for matte even though I was beyond the 14 day return period. I knew that wasn't the problem though as my old MacBook was a glossy display. I've decided to stick with my full brightness solution. Sitting in a brightly-lit room tends to help alleviate how blinding the full brightness of the screen can be. In a dimly-lit room I guess I just wear sunglasses. Either way, the extreme brightness is worlds better than the sickening flicker I saw with a lower brightness setting

I would caution anybody considering buying a product with an LED backlit display to pay careful attention to make sure you don't have this same sensitivity. Turn the screen brightness down, find a high contract area of the screen, and quickly move your eyes back and forth over the screen. If you can detect the flicker, you may end up with this same problem.

I have no idea what percentage of the population has this sensitivity. I imagine we will hear more about it as more and more displays start using this technology. Hopefully the Apple engineers will come up with a way to eliminate this flicker some of us can see.

Russ Martin

15-inch MacBook Pro, Mac OS X (10.5.4)

Posted on Aug 23, 2008 8:25 AM

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  • by jondrac,

    jondrac jondrac Dec 31, 2012 10:52 AM in response to RMartin111
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    Dec 31, 2012 10:52 AM in response to RMartin111

    It seems like I have found I solution to my problem, somewhat. I tried many different color calibrations that did not work for me, but a few days ago I did another advanced color calibration and made the white point as yellow as it can get. Making the white point yellowish did nothing for me and I still had major issues, but now that I made it as yellow as it can get, no more problems. Interesting, eh? It's almost like the irritating blue backlight is still on to some degree when you make the white point more yellow, but when you turn it all the way yellow, there's no more blue. I don't know, I'll leave it to you in-the-know people to figure it out if you want to.

     

    The display still isn't as comfortable as my iPad 2 or iPhone 4S, but it's now usable. I know this isn't the solution to everyone's problem, and many of you have probably tried it already, but if you haven't tried it yet... do it! It might seem unbearably ugly at first - that's what I thought - but you do get used to it. I don't know about you, but I'll take a yellowish Mac over a perfectly white Windows computer any day.

  • by applenewbie2010,

    applenewbie2010 applenewbie2010 Jan 2, 2013 6:06 PM in response to Gurm42
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    Jan 2, 2013 6:06 PM in response to Gurm42

    I have nver had a problem spending hours on the computer until recently. Now I cannot spend more than 30 minutes on EITHER my 2010 mid Macbook pro OR my new iPad.

     

    I cannot explain this.

     

    How could I suddenly becoem so sensitive that I cannot look at a computer that I have been using for 2 years without an issue?

     

    I swear I feel as if there has been some sort of change in the intensity or the output of the internet signal. I am grasping at straws here.

     

    It would be comporable to the breakfast that I have eaten for 15 years to suddenly start causing me sever illness. Either the ingredients changed or I sudenly developed an intense reaciton literlaly overnight.

     

    All I know is that I am having pain behind my eyes now and once the pain sets in, I cannot look at lights, the computer, or anythign bright.

     

    Sean

  • by iStrain,

    iStrain iStrain Jan 2, 2013 8:10 PM in response to applenewbie2010
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    Jan 2, 2013 8:10 PM in response to applenewbie2010

    Sean,

     

    Your mid 2010 Macbook Pro probably came with Snow Leopard. Did you upgrade it to Lion or Mountain Lion recently?

  • by applenewbie2010,

    applenewbie2010 applenewbie2010 Jan 2, 2013 9:47 PM in response to iStrain
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    Jan 2, 2013 9:47 PM in response to iStrain

    Yes. I upgraded twice. I am currently running Mountain Lion on both. I have been running the Mountain Lion since its release and these headaches and pain that is located on my eye has just begun. Today will be the third day in a row that I've had a headache.

     

    Do you think the upgraded software could have something to do with this?

  • by iStrain,

    iStrain iStrain Jan 3, 2013 3:41 AM in response to applenewbie2010
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    Jan 3, 2013 3:41 AM in response to applenewbie2010

    If you were running Mountain Lion for a while without any issues, it's probably not the culprit in your case. The reason I asked is I tried upgrading my Early 2011 Macbook Pro to Lion and Mountain Lion but they were causing me dizziness and headaches so I had to downgrade to Snow Leopard. Did you make any changes in configuration 3 days ago? Did you install any updates, change text smoothing options or enable bluetooth?

  • by applenewbie2010,

    applenewbie2010 applenewbie2010 Jan 3, 2013 5:12 AM in response to iStrain
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    Jan 3, 2013 5:12 AM in response to iStrain

    There have been no changes to my settings or computer use. If anything, I have use the computers less because I am on a 2 week college break.

     

    I am going to scrap all MacBook Pro use today and see if I can narrow it down to either my Ipad, iPhone, or MacBook. The only new addition now that I think of it is the iPhone 5 which I just got a week ago.

     

    I will update this thread tonight to see of only using this device is the issue.

  • by CoreLinker,

    CoreLinker CoreLinker Jan 5, 2013 10:34 AM in response to applenewbie2010
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    Jan 5, 2013 10:34 AM in response to applenewbie2010

    applenewbie, you are clearly a delusional, considering the links you posted. We don't need stuff like that here. We are looking for rational causes only.

     

    If you cannot look at bright lights than you have developed photophobia. Go see a doctor.

  • by applenewbie2010,

    applenewbie2010 applenewbie2010 Jan 5, 2013 12:03 PM in response to CoreLinker
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    Jan 5, 2013 12:03 PM in response to CoreLinker

    Great analysis.

     

    You determined I am delusional based upon the fact that I am stating I am getting headaches and pain behind my eyes after purchasing a new iPhone 5 and using a MacBook Pro that I have had for 2 years.

     

    Right... I am assuming you have a degree in psychology.

     

    Anyway, I have intentionally alternated my computer use and spent 1 day only using the iPad 1, 1 day using the new Ipad, 1 day on the MacBook Pro (which is running mountain lion), and 1 day using the iPhone 5.

     

    The only days I had eye strain were when I used the MacBook Pro and the New iPad.

     

    So perhaps I am only delusional on those days.

     

    You may want to take some time and do some research on frequency impulses and changes in biological reactions. There is plenty of scientific and empirical data that draws a clear and definitive association between the 2.

     

    But of course it is much easier to simply say someone is crazy and remain ignorant.

  • by CoreLinker,

    CoreLinker CoreLinker Jan 5, 2013 12:46 PM in response to applenewbie2010
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    Jan 5, 2013 12:46 PM in response to applenewbie2010

    I wasn't saying you were making up stuff about your experiences with Apple hardware, just asking you not to derail genuine research we're attempting to make here with conspiracy theories.

  • by applenewbie2010,

    applenewbie2010 applenewbie2010 Jan 5, 2013 1:43 PM in response to CoreLinker
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    Jan 5, 2013 1:43 PM in response to CoreLinker

    Gotcha.

     

    While I appreciate your desire to keep the conversation to fact based information, you may want to refrain from

    Immediately attacking someone. The conversation usually does not go well when you state that someone is delusional.

     

    Getting back to the matter at hand, do you have any feedback or thoughts as to why I may be experiencing headaches and eye strain when only using certain Apple

    Devices?

     

    I currently own and use:

     

    iPad original (Not getting headaches from this device)

    New IPad (Not getting headaches from this device)

    MacBook Pro with recent upgrade to Mountain Lion (Getting headaches from this device)

    iPhone 5 (Getting headaches from this device)

    iMac mid 2011 (Not getting headaches from this device)

  • by LovesDogs0415,

    LovesDogs0415 LovesDogs0415 Jan 5, 2013 3:22 PM in response to applenewbie2010
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    Jan 5, 2013 3:22 PM in response to applenewbie2010

    Applenewbie: I regret that you got tangled up with those replies from CoreLinker.  I hope you will get some useful feedback from others.  The attack on you was completely unwarranted.  The links you sent were interesting, and I did not read any conspiracy theories into them.  Hope you will remain on the list and offer information about your experiences and any insights you have.  I had an interesting experience recently after having my harddrive replaced at the Apple Store.  When my mid-2009 MacBook (LCD backlit) computer was rebooted, the welcome screen was so intense that I thought they had accidentally brought out the wrong machine.  The screen image lasted only a few seconds and I have no idea how to get it to repeat, but I was fascinated that my comfortable machine could transmit an image that intense and bright.  Thankfully, once that image was gone the other images were what I was used to and caused no problem.  I am not highly technical, but read the replies in hopes of finding some solution before my MacBook needs replacing.  Welcome to the list; enjoy your MacBook, good luck with finding an answer, and thank you for sharing.

  • by iStrain,

    iStrain iStrain Jan 5, 2013 4:08 PM in response to applenewbie2010
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    Jan 5, 2013 4:08 PM in response to applenewbie2010

    Applenewbie2010, which version of mac os x do you run on your iMac. Did you upgrade it to the latest release?

  • by applenewbie2010,

    applenewbie2010 applenewbie2010 Jan 5, 2013 5:42 PM in response to iStrain
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    Jan 5, 2013 5:42 PM in response to iStrain

    Hi, I am running Version 10.8.2.

     

    I upgraded to this version when it came out.

     

    This is why it is not making sense to me. There has bee no changes to my system as of late. I used the computer for a while with the new OS and I did not experience any issues. I would literally spend 5-7 hours a day on the computer because I am a full time college student who is taking online courses.

     

    I NEVER had a headache during that time. Now, I am hesitant to use the laptop at all. It is guaranteed that my head will start pounding with as little as 20 minutes of use. This is going to be a huge problem for me because I REALLY need to use my MacBook because it is more practical for my studies.

     

    I have NEVER suffered migraines in my life. I am assuming that this is what I am now experiencing. The pain feels like it is behind my eye socket and once it begins, I cannot look at the tv, the iPad, or even the lights in my house.

     

    Any thoughts?

  • by rohanzsta,

    rohanzsta rohanzsta Jan 9, 2013 12:15 PM in response to RMartin111
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    Jan 9, 2013 12:15 PM in response to RMartin111

    Hey guys,


    I wanted to share some stuff that has really worked for me (I get severe eyestrain off 2011/2012 Macbook Pros + Cinema Displays + iPhone 4S/5).

     

    1) I bought a Dell UltraSharp U2711: http://www.amazon.com/Dell-UltraSharp-U2711-27-inch-Widescreen/dp/B0039648BO/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357761844&sr=8-1&keywords=dell+u2711

     

    A bit more expensive, but its a top-notch monitor with no LED backlight. You can get a Like New one for $662.

     

    2) http://www.amazon.com/GUNNAR-Gaming-Eyewear-Onyx-Mercury-Frame/dp/B004BUMICS/ref =sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1357761635&sr=8-1&keywords=gunnar+glasses

     

    I was skeptical of these, but they definitely have helped me with eyestrain at home. I pretty much leave a pair near my home computer equipment. Two things to note: the lens doesnt actually look yellow once you put it on your face. Secondly, you can get a pair from Best Buy and just try them out for a few weeks and return them within 30days if there is no effect. It's definitely worth a try.

     

    3) Bought a 13" Macbook Pro Retina Display - I can't handle the retina display on the iPhone 5, but for some reason the retina on the new macbook pro actually works for me (as in I can stare at it for longer periods of time without eyestrain).

     

    I'm still debating what phone to get since I can't get the 4S/5, but I've heard people complain about eyestrain with the Galaxy S3 (and the Note is too big for me). I might have to get an HTC (I'm on Sprint), but I'll keep everyone updated.

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