Q: display anomalies

iMac2006 ATY1600... same fking problem. Can't play any game...

Add my MacBook Pro 2,1 with Snowy 10.6.8 to the list...

Noticed one line of pixels on one screen a couple days ago and then yesterday the MacBookPro locked up - I think in Safari. Checking the disk I found it needed repairs.... But more significantly after I repaired and backed up the disk and then restarted I found Kernel errors that started with...... ATIRadeon Graphics Card related error note.

Do we have a consensis if this is a Hardware or a Software problem? I think I hear expensive hardware problem but perhaps the answer is still unknown?

Terru

Here's the extract kernel log ....

Oct 16 10:00:48 mbp kernel[0]: AFP_VFS afpfs_DoReconnect: already in unmount /Volumes/TimeMachine4

Oct 16 10:00:48 mbp kernel[0]: AFP_VFS afpfs_unmount: /Volumes/TimeMachine4, flags 524288, pid 58

Oct 16 10:01:52 mbp kernel[0]: ATIRadeon::wait_for_rb_space: Overflowed block waiting for FIFO space.   Have -2, need 5. RBBM_STATUS 0xb8036100

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log Start **

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: 0x010171c5 00040100 00000000 200801c0

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: 0x1c010047 c0002a0c 00000002 00000008

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: 0x00000047 00000000 00001a1a b8036100

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: 0x00080000 00000000 00000001 40000000

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: 0x60003ed5 0004000a 00000000 00800000

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: 0x00000000 0000444f 10040008

Oct 16 10:02:05 mbp kernel[0]: 0:0x000101ce

..... and hundred more like this in the kernel log then

Oct 16 10:09:03 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log End **

Oct 16 10:09:04 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: ATIRadeon::wait_for_rb_space: Overflowed block waiting for FIFO space.   Have 4, need 5. RBBM_STATUS 0x9001c100

Oct 16 10:09:17 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: ** ASIC Hang Log Start **

Oct 16 10:09:17 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: 0x010171c5 00040100 00000000 200801c0

Oct 16 10:09:17 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: 0x1c0360dd c0002a0c 00000002 00000008

Oct 16 10:09:17 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: 0x00000047 00000000 00002f2f 9001c100

Oct 16 10:09:17 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: 0x00080000 00000000 00000001 40000000

Oct 16 10:09:17 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: 0x60003f06 0004000a 00000000 00800000

Oct 16 10:09:17 TJSoftworks-MacBook-Pro-2 kernel[0]: 0x00000003 0000444f 10040008

..... and hundred more like this in the kernel log

10/16/2011 10:09:24          kernel          706:0xd16816fb

10/16/2011 10:09:24          kernel          707:0x7c177be8

10/16/2011 10:09:24          kernel          708:0xca6aa017

10/16/2011 10:09:24          kernel          709:0x357d8e71

10/16/2011 10:09:24          kernel          710:0x5f74b315

FORCED SHUTDOWN at this point....

and then repaired disk, full caches, Reset PROM

Hardware Overview:

  Model Name:          MacBook Pro

  Model Identifier:          MacBookPro2,1

  Processor Name:          Intel Core 2 Duo

  Processor Speed:          2.33 GHz

  Number Of Processors:          1

  Total Number Of Cores:          2

  L2 Cache:          4 MB

  Memory:          3 GB

  Bus Speed:          667 MHz

  Boot ROM Version:          MBP21.00A5.B08

  SMC Version (system):          1.14f5

  Serial Number (system):          W864604NW0M

  Hardware UUID:          00000000-0000-1000-8000-0016CBA12FF4

  Sudden Motion Sensor:

  State:          Enabled

System Software Overview:

  System Version:          Mac OS X 10.6.8 (10K549)

  Kernel Version:          Darwin 10.8.0

  Boot Volume:          SnowLeopard

  Boot Mode:          Normal

  Computer Name:          My MacBook Pro

  User Name:          Me

  Secure Virtual Memory:          Enabled

  64-bit Kernel and Extensions:          No

  Time since boot:          54 minutes

I also note that I am running a WD Scorpio Black.

am I hearing that the hard drive might be involved or just the timing is similar....

My MacBook Pro 2,1 with Snowy 10.6.8

WDC WD3200BEKT-00F3T0:

  Capacity:          320.07 GB (320,072,933,376 bytes)

  Model:          WDC WD3200BEKT-00F3T0                  

  Revision:          11.01A11

  Serial Number:               WD-WX90A99N9515

  Native Command Queuing:          Yes

  Queue Depth:          32

  Removable Media:          No

  Detachable Drive:          No

  BSD Name:          disk0

  Rotational Rate:          7200

  Medium Type:          Rotational

  Partition Map Type:          GPT (GUID Partition Table)

  S.M.A.R.T. status:          Verified

I don't think there is a consensus of a hardware problem. All the software tests on my machine suggest a software driver problem - normal AHT running for many hours in loop mode; normal behaviour on safeboot; normal now 12 months without ATIRadeonX1000.kext; very different thermal behavior of my machine with different OS kernels (10.5.8 vs 10.6.x).

I have no logs which suggest GPU heating has much to do with the problem. My temperature logs show GPU is always a lot cooler (10-20degC) than CPU and GPU temperature rises as the CPU heats up. High CPU temperature appears to be caused by kernel faults.

Repeated reboot (50-100) tests (when using the ATIRadeonX1000.kext) the single line desktop glitch is present on login show a cyclic behavior through abnormal patterns returning to normal suggesting a very local memory corruption (?single bit). Safari 5 still reliably crashes trying to view this page without ATIRadeonX1000.kext, which suggests tight software dependency of Safari.

It may be there is a GPU BGA solder joint failure, but I would like to see physical evidence of the hardware fault - eg microscope photo of the failed solder joint. If that is the cause, then it should be completely repairable wth a solder reflow. Speaking to someone last week who has done home reflows on other hardware with a suitable kit, but playing with a MOBO makes me nervous when my machine is quite functional.

Have WD Scorpio Black 320GB, no issues.

I am not sure Ian. The reason why there are no issues with the driver gone is simple. The video board is not being used technically. Instead the system is using a basic method for displaying. This is also why when disabled certain things are lost, like VLC or the ripple effect in dashboard.

But you are right in that there has be no solid proof of what the issue is. I will tell you this. I have had to once again heat up the mobo after getting artifacts and no usability out of the system. After doing so this weekend I have been watching shows in VLC and using the machine normally ever since. I did not purge the PRAM in any way other than disconnect the PRAM battery for a short while when heating the board (and removing it). Which now takes me about 15 minutes max. I did no clear any preferences, etc. Just removed the board, heated it up by concentrating on the GPU and putting it back in. If it was just a software issue, then I would suspect my issues would be back already. The system will probably chug along for a while until I get the case temps too high again. I killed it last time by installed Myth III and playing it for a couple hours.

hello,

i have gray screen (stop) problem on startup ( ATI X1600 problem )

i booted in safemode and i deleted those files

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000.kext

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000GA.plugin

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000GLDriver.bundle

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000VADriver.bundle

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000.kext

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000GA.plugin

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000GLDriver.bundle

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000VADriver.bundle

and snow leopard osx works finally, but no more video playing vlc (quick time works slowly ) and no image preview .....

surely, I reinstalled osx and reset PRAM, EFI, SMC, but not working

what is the solution??????????

there are 3 solutions:

1- install 10.5;10.6 or 10.7 deleting atiradeonx1000.kext

2-install 10.4

3.install windows 7

it's a harware-software related issue. with both windows 7 and tiger i have never had a crash (after cleaning the macbook pro and after changing the thermal paste).

with 10.5 i have randomly some crashes.

with 10.6 and 10.7 the macbook pro isn't usable. because these os use a lot the graphic card, making it hot, and so causing the system freeze.

there is nothing to do. i'm sorry

here my solution.

i installed 10.7.2 and windows 7 32bit.

in lion, i deleted ONLY atiradeonx1000.kext and here is the problem, with this kext. is there anyone who could work on it?

without this kext i can't use dvd player, i can't use vlc (but i can use quick time, and it works perfectly), i can't use photobooth (black screen but no problem for me), i can't use facetime (but skyper works perfectly) and preview works. even dashboard works.

i use windows 7 32 when i have to play videogame or when i have to make some powepoint presentations etc.

please tell me your opinions!

alexfromconegliano wrote:

with 10.5 i have randomly some crashes.

with 10.6 and 10.7 the macbook pro isn't usable. because these os use a lot the graphic card, making it hot, and so causing the system freeze.

I am contemplating a home solder reflow, after I get a new computer (in the next few weeks), since I cannot afford to be computerless if it fails. I have

Ian Cheong wrote:

 

alexfromconegliano wrote:

with 10.5 i have randomly some crashes.

with 10.6 and 10.7 the macbook pro isn't usable. because these os use a lot the graphic card, making it hot, and so causing the system freeze.

 

(Sorry, ignore last post, I was editing it and the forum went out for maintenance in the middle of it, lost all my edits : ( starting again. Keep forgetting it is a good idea to copy/paste edits into another app prior to trying to submit so that one doesn'y have to retype the lot if there is a problem.)

Crashes in 10.5 may be caused by not clearing out all the system software corruption. See posts around here for recipe https://discussions.apple.com/thread/1697470?start=810

I can't see why people think GPU temps are the problem, since *all* my TemperatureMonitor logs show CPU temps 15-20deg higher than GPU. GPU heatsink is always hotter than GPU chip. Heat appears to flow from CPU to heatsink to GPU.

Torture test to failure - crash:

Glitches, reboots are gaps in log, then corruption on login window - note CPU temps substantially higher due to presumed kernel corruption:

Corruption, reboots during repair, then temps settle after last reboot: (can't remember when exactly the last reboot was - presume it was where the blue vertical line marks)

I am contemplating a home solder reflow, after I get a new computer (in the next few weeks), since I cannot afford to be computerless if it fails. I have read online about home oven and electric griddle reflows. Contemplating using a clothes iron +/- electric griddle.

But going to try changing the PRAM battery to a higher spec one first as an experiment. Note models after MBP 1,1 don't use a PRAM battery any more and the OEM spec battery has a starting voltage of 2.7V if I recall. The slightly larger one have bought is more than 3V and should have better thermal tolerance.

This is corruption i have seen trying to get 10.6.8 to work.

Anyone got any ideas what sort of corruption might cause this???

thank you for all to trying to help

i have same problem,

if you delete those files (in safe mode )

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000.kext

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000GA.plugin

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000GLDriver.bundle

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX1000VADriver.bundle

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000.kext

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000GA.plugin

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000GLDriver.bundle

/System/Library/Extensions/ATIRadeonX2000VADriver.bundle

the os will works but no vlc player working and no video working perfect,

i tried to install windows 7 but the windows load in 16 colors, i installed ati x1600 software - windows will not boot ( failed and restart)

i think ati x1600 overclocking, i am trying to reset the frequnacy (mhz)

anyone has solution to playing vlc player or how to set the correct setting for ati driver???

VLC works fine for me in 10.5.8 for 12 months now. (Only missing ATIRadeonX1000.kext which I delete after reapplying combo updater to try to flush out other corrupted files.)

hy boys. solution has been found. here the links:

http://themainframe.ca/2010/07/03/macbook-pro-video-repair/ this was my starting point

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jFTi_P24z8 this was the video that changed my macbook pro 2,2's life.

i used a hair drier with 1600w for ten minutes, like the video suggests.

my macbook pro is running 10.7.2 without any problem!!

please contact me if you nedd. bye bye

ps i'm so happy!!!

As mentioned a page or two back, I too have used a simple hair-dryer to temporarily fix mine. I have noticed that if I let temperatures climb the system generally fails until I reheat the board again. Last time I did so I posted it here. Not sure how long it had been again, about two weeks. The system operates fine until I get the urge to push the ATI chip too hard. Spore seems okay, but the last time I tried Myth.

Either way, I have not delted or modfied any software file. Only heating up the chip at this point. I suppose one of these times I will have heated it enough to no longer be an issue. But in my case, this is working for me. For others it may not.