rami bishara

Q: display anomalies

hello everyone,
ever since the last two os updates, i'm getting these weird anomalies quite frequently,
if i resize the window, they go away

http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9463/23pp6.png
http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/6839/picture1na5.png
http://img209.imageshack.us/img209/1881/picture2uh8.png
http://img186.imageshack.us/img186/9100/picture12oe2.png
http://img187.imageshack.us/img187/9364/picture98rs1.png
http://img381.imageshack.us/img381/3382/picture123sp6.png

i looked around, but no one seem to be having the similar problem,
my vga is ATI Radeon X1600

thanks in advance,
cheers

mbp, Mac OS X (10.5.4), 2.16 ghz // 2 gb ram

Posted on Sep 6, 2008 6:23 PM

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  • by macuser128,

    macuser128 macuser128 Oct 29, 2008 8:04 AM in response to macuser128
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    Oct 29, 2008 8:04 AM in response to macuser128
    Hi,

    Referring to the heat-conductive paste theory, i found some other interesting sites. I will try that next time, so my display failures are as stable as the MBP's temperature. I want it fixed.

    *Check out here if you are insterested in replacing the paste and get some background information why to so or why not:*

    http://www.macdevcenter.com/pub/a/mac/2006/05/23/thermal-paste-question.html
    http://forum.notebookreview.com/showthread.php?t=276582

    good luck
  • by rami bishara,

    rami bishara rami bishara Nov 7, 2008 4:50 PM in response to macuser128
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    Nov 7, 2008 4:50 PM in response to macuser128
    thanks for the links,
    i placed an order for some thermal paste,
    i'll give it a go and let you know with the results.

    been having a lot of freeze ups, very frustrating
    how long have you had your mbp?
    mine is about 2 years now, heavily used for graphics,
    i'm trying to see if the age of the thermal paste is causing the problem
  • by eelgrass,

    eelgrass eelgrass Nov 15, 2008 10:04 PM in response to macuser128
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    Nov 15, 2008 10:04 PM in response to macuser128
    I have seen this problem for a few months, too, and I'm also the one who suspects that this is caused by the graphic chip being damaged by thermal heat. I experienced this problem with any mix of the following conditions:
    a. Tiger (Latest) and Leopard (10.5.5)
    b. Clean Install (at the first login window!) and used
    c. Boot from build-in disk and boot from external disk

    It the temperature matters, the threshold should be very low! My machines, purchased in mid 2006, often runs around 60 Celsius degrees when idle.

    I will raise the fan speed using smcFanConrol and see if I need greasing.
  • by mgcjg,

    mgcjg mgcjg Nov 16, 2008 9:35 PM in response to rami bishara
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    Nov 16, 2008 9:35 PM in response to rami bishara
    Yep, same here... artifacts and sometimes screen freezes...

    Radeon X1600 Driver 2.16 GHz Intel Core Duo Macbook Pro - MacBookPro1,1
  • by Bbdmcrory,

    Bbdmcrory Bbdmcrory Nov 18, 2008 10:17 AM in response to rami bishara
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    Nov 18, 2008 10:17 AM in response to rami bishara
    Exact same problem with the exact same graphics card. I also seem to be experiences rather frequent total system freezes as well though.
  • by macuser128,

    macuser128 macuser128 Nov 19, 2008 4:15 AM in response to Bbdmcrory
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    Nov 19, 2008 4:15 AM in response to Bbdmcrory
    Hello,

    as described in the replies above i replaced the heat conductive paste. I now get among 5 °C better temperature (i am now at max 65°C at all sensors GFX is at 50-55°C at any time, Cleaned my fans, replaced the paste). But thats not enough to stop the failure because the systems thermal range is up to 65°C whats 15° C in failure range, i experienced.

    Remember: Failure doesn' t appears surely under 50°C

    i think the GFX Chip or the GFX Memory is affected by some heat related defect. If you have this defect, maybe through long usage of the device, it will stay defect and vulnerable to this heat related effects we are experiencing now, produced at much lower temperatures as have been there causing the original defect.

    What speaks for the GXF Memory:
    Not so much, this effect is not memory typical. Defect memory does not works or is losing or changing data. We dont have this effects. Even i don't know if the GXF Memory is shared? If it is, i already replaced the whole system memory.

    What speaks for a damaged GFX Chip:
    Much more than for the memory. So the effect appears using some single graphic routines used by the MAC OSX. I think the GFX is injecting this wrong information (randomly but heat related) to the memory when using one of this critical (damaged) functions. So its only logic that you can remove them by using this functions again, for example by resizing the window.

    At conclusion i think our GFX Chip is damaged thru usage of the MPB! That should not be!

    Only way to fix i think:
    Replace your logic board.

    if you have better or more information, links fixes, or maybe a shop where i can get the Logic Board for 200 Bucks , please provide them here.
  • by DrMo,

    DrMo DrMo Nov 23, 2008 4:15 AM in response to macuser128
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    Nov 23, 2008 4:15 AM in response to macuser128
    This is a known issue with a defect in the nvidia GPU. Apple has finally fessed up to the issue. http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377

    They are hoping and praying that two years passes and they don't have to fix too many. Mine just died and you better believe they will be fixing it.
  • by DrMo,

    DrMo DrMo Nov 23, 2008 4:16 AM in response to rami bishara
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    Nov 23, 2008 4:16 AM in response to rami bishara
    This is a known issue with a defect in the nvidia GPU. Apple has finally fessed up to the issue. http://support.apple.com/kb/TS2377

    They are hoping and praying that two years passes and they don't have to fix too many. Mine just died and you better believe they will be fixing it.
  • by macuser128,

    macuser128 macuser128 Nov 23, 2008 5:09 AM in response to DrMo
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    Nov 23, 2008 5:09 AM in response to DrMo
    Thank you so much for the information!!!


    YES!
  • by macuser128,

    macuser128 macuser128 Nov 23, 2008 5:11 AM in response to DrMo
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    Nov 23, 2008 5:11 AM in response to DrMo
    It's only for Nvidia GPU's, we all have Problems with ATI GPU's.

    damned!! could not be true!
  • by eelgrass,

    eelgrass eelgrass Nov 23, 2008 8:58 AM in response to macuser128
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    Nov 23, 2008 8:58 AM in response to macuser128
    I'm also a user of MacBook Pro with ATI GPU. (Core Duo model)
  • by macuser128,

    macuser128 macuser128 Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM in response to rami bishara
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    Dec 10, 2008 3:18 PM in response to rami bishara
    Hi you,

    I have a new guess about that problem!

    one my USB-Hubs wracked down today. This things are cascaded in 2 levels. I noticed malfunctions using the mouse and keyboard when switching from one machine to another with a Belkin Dual Link Dvi Switch.

    by the way i never reproduced the graphics-error we are talking about when i was outside on battery.

    The mouse response was as expected by energy problems, unsteady blinking or nothing.

    so i plugged that thing directly to the right port and the same happened again.

    USB Controller at low energy? i have plugged a lot of devices and hubs which are are supported by power supplies each, but it seems like this. at the other side, low energy on the logic board can cause wired behaviors i expected earlier. That seems possible. i removed all the usb hub cascades and unplugged all the harsddiscs and stuff.

    The failure is gone here now . . . ??? unbelievable. I was 1 step away buying a new board at ebay . . . phew!!!!

    Test this:

    Unplug all your Peripheral things! check out what device is wracking your machine. I hope thats really the problem!

    **** steady energy support! doesn't seems to be bad turning devices off sometimes.

    Please report back here, good luck!
  • by macuser128,

    macuser128 macuser128 Dec 15, 2008 11:39 PM in response to macuser128
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    Dec 15, 2008 11:39 PM in response to macuser128
    Hi you,

    I am sorry but the effects just came back. Today Apple released a new patch

    http://www.appleinsider.com/articles/08/12/15/applereleases_mac_os_x_10_5_6update.html

    including:

    Graphics

    * Includes general improvements to gaming performance.

    * Includes graphics improvements for iChat, Cover Flow, Aperture, and iTunes.

    * Includes fixes for possible graphics distortion issues with certain ATI graphics cards.

    Hope that helps
  • by rami bishara,

    rami bishara rami bishara Dec 16, 2008 9:19 AM in response to macuser128
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    Dec 16, 2008 9:19 AM in response to macuser128
    i just updated yesterday,
    so far so good, i'm keeping my hopes up
  • by macuser128,

    macuser128 macuser128 Dec 17, 2008 10:15 AM in response to rami bishara
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    Dec 17, 2008 10:15 AM in response to rami bishara
    sorry

    After applying the patch and hard working and testing the machine:

    - The machine didn't freeze till now, ok, i can wait for it.
    - no changes after the Update, effecting the other problems Graphics are still, how had apple called it "graphics distortion issues" , yes distorted, very matching description, thanks apple, we couldn't do better. Can not believe we and Apple talking about different problems.

    Apple please:

    is there a ATI firmware update or can i underclock that thing, is there anything i can do to get rid of the problems? I don't wanna play i need this thing to work with.

    thanks
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