Hard drive: Macintosh temp range?

Can anyone tell me the safe, 'normal to max' temp range for the iMac G5 HD: Macintosh? Mine runs at 157-160 F and whenever I run the Disk Warrior Hardware Test Device, it says that the temp (right now 158 F) is above normal and may indicate failure or pending failure. I wrote to Disk Warrior and the Tech who responded said "There is no set "normal range". However, anything over 140 F is probably too hot." How can there not be a posted "normal temp range"?

It's been running this way for months. I've uninstalled BOINC/SETI because that had the fans running too high and I thought the temp would come down w/o it, but it hasn't.

This is the Rev. A and I had both the Power Supply and the Motherboard replaced a long time ago. Is it looking that way again?

iMac G5, 20 (Rev. A); 1.8 GHz; 233 GB, Mac OS X (10.5.5), iBook G4, 10.5.5; AEBS; iPhone G3

Posted on Oct 6, 2008 11:52 PM

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Oct 7, 2008 12:39 AM in response to Dedo

68 degrees Celsius (the international standard of temperature measurement) equivalent to about 155 Farenheit, is way too hot.
I would be concerned when my eMac's HD was getting near 50 degrees Celsius in a heatwave and I would bring in a fan to blow over the computer.
Normally the HD would run about 38 degrees Celsius, as does this latest iMac I'm using.

What you have changed with the fans, perhaps you should change back again and get them blowing hard, to cool down your machine.

Oct 7, 2008 1:25 AM in response to roam

BTW-
The other two are:
CPU is 67 C;
HD is 52 C.

What's the difference between the HD:Macintosh (I'm partitioned into 3 volumes and this is the System Volume) and the one shown as the Hard Drive? The Disk Warrior Tech said he thought the last HD was just a heat sensor near the System HD.

Oct 7, 2008 2:35 AM in response to Dedo

Your additional information is helpful and suggest things are not as bad as originally reported by Disk warrior.
One of the problems with older machines, G4's and G5's is that they did not come with many temperature sensors. You have a CPU one and CPU's do run hot; they are in fact the hottest part of the computer.

The other one tends to be one that gathers information from the SMART chip on the HD, and at 52C its up there but it is not as alarming as the temperature in your first post. So what is this discrepancy? I think the data that Diskwarrior is reporting is possibly unreliable due to trying to pull temperature data out of an older machine which is not really equipped to provide much temp data, unlike newer systems that have more sensors than a hospital's intensive care unit.

Perhaps Disk warriors report is some synthesis or opinion rather than hard data, I'm not sure, but those two;
CPU is 67 C;
HD is 52 C.
I would say are hot, but not redlining. I would imagine the weather is still pretty warm where you are, and making sure the intake and exhaust airflow is unrestricted/unblocked is something to consider as well.

Also there seems to be some issue where the HD sensor is located;
Is this what you were playing around with before?
http://www.macintouch.com/readerreports/imacg5/topic2281.html

Oct 7, 2008 9:35 AM in response to roam

roam-
Thanks again for the info. I was hoping for some citation such as you noted on temp just to get some idea of an acceptable range.

RE: Disk Warrior, the Tech said the following "The data that DiskWarrior reads comes directly from the firmware of the hard drive. DiskWarrior has no capability to read temperature data from any other location."

Now ........ I'm unclear as to why the stats I provided look better. One of the things I'm still trying to understand is the difference between HD: Macintosh (@70C), where my System resides and the other HD (@53C) noted in the temps, which is always considerable lower. I think I mentioned that the Disk Warrior tech said he thought the second HD was a sensor. If, as the article you noted says, the second HD temp would be lower, if it's away from the HD. Does it appear that there's more than one sensor? One at the HD and one away? I'm still fuzzy on this. You said that the CPU is the hottest part of the computer yet that temp is always lower than the System temp. Right now: CPU @ 58C. These temps are while I'm just sitting here responding to you with iCal, Mail, and Safari open. The temps are up but the fans are quiet. Mac HD 1267; CPU 1500; HD 1834.

Oct 7, 2008 9:51 AM in response to cowtrail

Cowtrail-
The 'Rev A's have had a lot of problems. The Hard Drive was also replaced at yet another time, so this thing has been to the shop a few times and the extended warranty expired in January. Sure love my external HD; I back up every night!

Your stats are a lot lower than mine, except for the CPU which is about the same. I'm assuming the 133F is your System HD. So, I'm still puzzled by what the second HD reading is ....... the 126F, in your case, and the 128F/53C on mine.

Yesterday, I did take the back off and blow out everything with a can of Gasduster. Quieted the fans a bit but didn't do anything for the temp issue. I think 'roam' has a good point in his earlier response to me that if the temps are up, having the fans run slower isn't necessary helpful. Sounds nice though. They've been running high for so long I forgot how quiet they can be.

Oct 7, 2008 10:05 AM in response to Dedo

Have you compared the Disk Warrior reports to other programs? iStat Pro is a free widget which is what I use to monitor my mac. If you haven't used it try running it and see what it reports. You'd think they should be the same but perhaps the data is labeled differently. For what its worth my HD runs hotter than my CPU as well.

Oct 7, 2008 12:12 PM in response to Dedo

Dedo wrote:
BTW-
The other two are:
CPU is 67 C;
HD is 52 C.

What's the difference between the HD:Macintosh (I'm partitioned into 3 volumes and this is the System Volume) and the one shown as the Hard Drive? The Disk Warrior Tech said he thought the last HD was just a heat sensor near the System HD.



Sorry, what I was getting at is how does iStat report the two sensors? I was thinking maybe iStat gave different information as to what the second sensor was reading.

Oct 7, 2008 1:27 PM in response to pogster

Pogster-
I'm not clear on what you're asking? If you use iStat Pro, you must also have the same three readings I do: HD: Starship III (which is what my System Volume is called); the CPU reading, and another called Hard Drive. What I'm asking is: what does the third reading (Hard Drive) represent? I don't have two HDs so why are two of the three readings titled HD? Doesn't seem like it could be two readings on the same HD. There's a very significant difference in the temps. If it IS just another sensor for the System HD but far enough away to read so differently, what use would THAT be? I'm puzzled about what it is.

Oct 7, 2008 2:06 PM in response to Dedo

What I was wondering was, did iStat report that you have a 2nd hard drive as well? Apparently it does. I was just suggesting that maybe a different program, such as iStat, would better reveal what that third sensor actually was. I thought maybe Disk Warrior was - in error - mislabeling that sensor as a 2nd HD when it was actually something else. But apparently both programs are reporting it as the same thing.

I'm on an Intel imac and iStat reports 8 different sensors but none of them show up as a 2nd HD so it's not a fair comparison.

I see I'm just confusing the issue so I'll leave it at that.

Oct 7, 2008 2:29 PM in response to pogster

🙂 No ..... you ask a good question. Yes, iStat Pro reports 2 hard drives. When iStat is open, I clicked in the info and under Options: Hard Drive(s) is toggled. Under Display/Temps, three boxes are checked. The HD: Starship III, CPU, and the third box called Hard Drive.

If you check on the back of yours, do you also have those options? If all the same boxes were checked, I wonder if you'd also display more than one HD?

Maybe I should be reading up on what exactly iStat Pro displays?

Oct 7, 2008 2:54 PM in response to Dedo

I sent the following email to iSlayer who developed iStat Pro. Will post if I get a response.

"I have an iMac G5 1.8 GHz PPC w/2 GB SDRAM. I have it configured into 3 volumes: the HD Macintosh volume that houses the System, Applications, User, etc. and two smaller volumes that hold various folders and files for two different people who use this computer.

I use iStat Pro and have it toggled in Sections to display the hard drive(s).

It then displays for me three temps:
HD: Macintosh, the System Volume: temp
CPU: temp
Hard Drive: temp

My question, which is unanswered in Apple Discussions is:
Since I have only one hard drive (which I assume is represented in the first HD Macintosh temp displayed), what is represented by the last Hard Drive temp iStat Pro displays? The one after CPU? Is it just another sensor somewhere that's being read? It's always significantly lower than the top one. No one out here seems to know."

Oct 7, 2008 3:07 PM in response to Dedo

In Info>Display>Disks it normally only shows my single internal hard drive. But if Time Capsule is running a backup it shows up on the Disks list as well but there's never a temp display for it which is kind of odd. Both are checked though.

The list of temps shown on my mac is; HD: Macintosh, cpu A, cpu A heat sink, airport card, ambient, gpu, gpu diode, and gpu heatsink.

The version I have of iStat pro is 4.7 if that helps.

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