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PT Level 7 Level 7
I guess the writing is on the wall. The new MacBook withOUT a Firewire port. USB2 only now.

So I guess anyone who uses a digital camcorder with Firewire/iLink ports, despite the new Mac coming with iLife (iMovie) installed, I hope you didn't actually want to import any of your video.

Regards,
Patrick

eMac 1.25GHz/1G/160GB/Superdrive  250/200/80 FW Ext Drives , Mac OS X (10.4.10),  Canon iP4200 printer  iLife v4  30GB and 80GB 5th Gen iPods
Solved by dasein on Oct 14, 2008 5:36 PM Solved
ironic...wasn't Apple the one that started Firewire years ago?
Reply by Jason Gullickson on Oct 14, 2008 1:31 PM Helpful
This is like that Twilight Zone episode where the guy that never had time to read finally does, and then breaks his glasses…

We finally get a MacBook that can run Final Cut Pro, and you can't capture video on it. Brilliant.
Reply by altctrlsleep on Oct 14, 2008 2:47 PM Helpful
I must admit, that I was a little shocked to find out new Macbooks don't have firewire. You know what? I got over it. I'm a musician who uses firewire everyday with my ProTools Digirack on my Macbook, as well as my iMac. BUT, I must add that I've had some problems with firewire. My DIGIrack randomly shuts off and has trouble re-connecting sometimes, and my external Firewire drive has trouble mounting often. But I've learned to deal with it, and I usually my job got done. As for USB? I've never had a problem with any of my USB devices, including external hard drives, and other audio devices.

Let's face it, firewire is eventually gonna be replaced. Also, I find no need for me to go out and buy a brand new Macbook because Apple came out with a new one, and then, start to complain that it doesn't have firewire, when I already have a macbook WITH firewire! New products bring different solutions that eventually people learn to adjust to. My question should be to the people complaining... Isn't the Macbook you already own good enough for the products you already have? If you REALLY need firewire and you don't already have a Macbook, go for a refurbished or lower end White Macbook for $999 or less. It's a GREAT computer!!

Now, the thing that interests me more than firewire debate, is price. "Why are we getting a less tech product for same or more expensive price?" Apple has sacrificed going green, which is great IMO. I do however, believe the new Macbook SHOULD start at $999, leaving the OLD Macbooks starting at $799. That is something we should make an effort to report to Apple.

Overall, I have agreed with most of Apple's decisions in the last couple years when introducing all of their new products. They have products that fall within their means for customers needs and wants. I think the real problem lies with consumers becoming too greedy and obsessed with buying things they DON'T need, but want. When will we live within our means??? Right now, our economy is on life-support, and I find some relief to hear someone say "I'm not buying that, only because it doesn't have Firewire!". Good! Stop using credit cards when you don't need to! I know that eventually Apple will make a laptop that will have all bells and whistles that one could want for reasonable price. For now, enjoy and accept that what you already have is good enough.

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  • a brody Level 9 Level 9
    expertise.classicmacos
    Classic Mac OS
    There are USB 2 camcorders, and used and refurbished Macbooks with Firewire, and used and refurbished MacBooks with built-in Firewire*.

    This does pose a problem for those who wanted to use the Migration Assistant, Target Disk Mode, and Firewire over IP. Though bootable SAN hard drives I suppose are an option via ethernet, they are surely expensive to get the same speed as built-in Firewire. Those who don't like this feature change really should submit feedback to:

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/macbook.html

    - * Links to my pages may give me compensation.

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  • PT Level 7 Level 7
    My point was more towards that it looks like Apple is slowly dropping Firewire from their products. The iPods all lost Firewire years ago and now the laptop line is beginning to lose them. I know you can still get other models with Firewire. It just doesn't seem all that long ago when Apple was all about Firewire and only added USB2 almost as an after thought or because they had to.

    Also most USB2 connectible camcorders record in compressed format. While still a compressed format, DV format is not nearly as compressed so you begin with much better quality to work with. With the USB2 camcorders, this will be more like taking an MP3 as your source file rather than a WAV or AIFF or Apple Lossless format.

    Cheers,
    Patrick
  • Michael Kraskin Level 2 Level 2
    Yeah, this is pretty disappointing, and a deal breaker for me. Are there really no usb/firewire adapter solutions out there? That's all it would take for me to purchase a new macbook.
  • PT Level 7 Level 7
    Nope, no USB/Firewire adapters exist. That question was asked a lot when the 5th Generation Video iPods came out with no Firewire anymore and many people still used older Macs with only USB1.1 speed USB ports.

    Patrick
  • Michael Kraskin Level 2 Level 2
    That's a shame. What about ethernet to firewire? I've seen that discussed in a few forums? Anyone know the definitive answer?
  • a brody Level 9 Level 9
    expertise.classicmacos
    Classic Mac OS
    I've not seen that either.
  • PT Level 7 Level 7
    IF it worked, you still have the one issue of it not working with iMovie because iMovie is not designed to import via Ethernet.

    Patrick
  • Stew75 Level 1 Level 1
    This is an outrage!!! I'm a video producer who has invested over $10K in gear that relies heavily on Firewire 400 for ingesting footage. I travel alot and was really looking forward to the 13.3 form factor, but the lack of FW 400 is the stupidest thing I think Apple has done.

    I understand they are pushing change but most video professionals who use Prosumer cameras like the HVX200 Require firewire 400 to ingest the video. I understand that I can use a step down cable for the FW 800 port on the MBP, but this is still a pain and I was going for a smaller form factor and price! I hope Apple realizes that they screwed alot of people with this and offers an adapter, because that is the only way I see to fix this problem.
  • Michael Kraskin Level 2 Level 2
    Good point. Thanks for the info. I guess there's no new computer for me this year.
  • a brody Level 9 Level 9
    expertise.classicmacos
    Classic Mac OS
    Assuming it works as documented, it would not be an ethernet signal unless hooked up to an ethernet port on a computer, and it would just jump the signal from USB to Firewire. I would be interested in hearing the results of someone purchasing it.

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  • Somez Level 1 Level 1
    I'm also very disappointed from this firewire issue. My solution is to connect my DV camcorder via USB, import it into Windows Movie Maker, and copy the wmv files to Mac, and import it to iMovie. It's cheaper than buying an HDV camcorder.
  • PT Level 7 Level 7
    Somez_hu wrote:
    My solution is to connect my DV camcorder via USB,


    How? Your DV camcorder allows exporting via USB?

    Patrick
  • Michael Kraskin Level 2 Level 2
    Someone at work just told me to use my old powerbook as my Firewire converter! A very expensive converter... But I guess it would work.

    FYI, the refurbished prices have come down and are quite reasonable. And all have firewire. I also think the $999 version has firewire, though they don't really say in the store.
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