Why "Shuffle" may not work under Tiger

Here is why your iPod "Shuffle" may NOT work under Tiger 10.4.1.

Spent 2 hours on the phone with Apple Tech. Support regarding the issue of "unknown error has occurred", when inserting Shuffle USB on Tiger 10.4.1 system. First talked to someone in India, very nice, did all the things I tried before, once again. Then waited another 15 minutes to be transferred to Baltimore MD, to speak to a nice young kid in product support. Tried mostly the same stuff. You know, erasing the iPod in "Disk Utility", letting it create an "auto playlist" etc.

First you should know that this same Shuffle 512mb unit works perfectly fine if I boot from my "cloned" firewire drive that was my backup of Panther 10.3.7, before I did the basic Tiger "update" to 10.4, which was then upgraded to 10.4.1. Hopefully you were smart enough to clone your last system to another boot-able drive?

There, in Panther 10.3.7, was iTunes 4.7.1, and the iPod updater was the current one dated 2005-03-23. And it works as it should.

Does NOT matter if you upgrade to iTunes 4.8 on Tiger either. As it turns out the final tech. support fellow said one of his coworkers had the same issue. And the answer is:

"Upgrade to Tiger using archive and install". That's it folks, and shows why many are not seeing this particular problem, symptoms of which are:

Not being able to run the iPod Updater and having it see the Shuffle.
Not being able to play music from the Shuffle.
Clicking the play button on the Shuffle and getting the blinking "orange/green" light, meaning PROBLEM.

While many do a "clean install", or "archive/install", they most likely will not have this particular problem. I have over 300 applications and simply cannot afford to do either of those upgrade procedures to Tiger. I can only hope that Apple bothers to somehow fix this issue which is most likely some leftover file amongst the millions that are left behind during each simple upgrade to the next OS. I still have my iPod Mini and will take the loss here as a solution is doubtful for the small minority like me. But I did want to share this with those that do not have the patience to stay on the phone for two hours. I did implore the techie to have someone include this case on the Apple Support site, so others experiencing this problem don't have to waste as much time as I did today. Also to say to those that said; "this is NOT a Tiger issue", to hold your thoughts until you do the same amount of homework. If my case develops any other kind of solution I will write back, otherwise it's on to the next Tiger headache.

Posted on Jun 4, 2005 3:54 PM

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Jun 4, 2005 4:05 PM in response to MacTavish

Good to read your post regarding your 'Pod's issues. Problems that arise for some and not for others are difficult to pin down.

I just tried my 1Gig Shuffle and upgraded installation of 10.4.(1) and have no problems. Can play songs directly from the Shuffle using iT 4.8. The true problem must be more than just the upgrade (as you mention it could be a left-over file, etc..., but what files?) I've read of many problems that occur depending on the user's setup, applications installed, or 3rd party devices attached.

Example, 10.3.6 slowed down my startup by 3 - 4x. Some users had the problem and other did not. My 800 fonts contributed to the issue but I was not going to get rid of all of the fonts. 10.3.9 finally solved the problem.

Regards,

Jun 4, 2005 4:22 PM in response to MacTavish

I have exactly the same syptoms with my Shuffle and also upgraded to Tiger rather than install/archive etc, for the same reasons as you ie. software already installed. I might do a search for files eg. preference files, system files etc relating to ipod nd clean them out and see what happens. Since it doesn;t work at the moment I have nothing to lose. If I anything works I'll let you know. Interesting though was that my Shuffle failure occurred gradually over time. First was not being recognised, then restoring with iPod updater, and now nothing at all, as you have described. I have two PBs both with Tiger and the Shuffle now doesn't work on either. It is not even recognised under the USB connection in system profiler either.

Cheers.

Jun 4, 2005 5:58 PM in response to MacTavish

I am adding to this thread in the hopes that Apple will see that this is a problem. I, like you, did not want to use the other install options because of software and data issues. I hope that in 10.4.2 they can rescue our Shuffles. I am sorry to say I am not in a position to go iPod "anything" but Shuffle because of my fixed income. I just wish this fix comes soon.

Jun 4, 2005 9:08 PM in response to DesertPenquin

I've been told far too many times that Apple does not respond here, fine, we all hope the still have the cash resources to have some staff at least read some of the posts. But if you really want to be heard, you can write them, I would not wish anyone the two hours of phone time I spent today. I can only say I am glad that it stopped me from trying to figure out a puzzle that I can only solve by doing another install that I refuse to do anyway. So there is a bit of "closure" at least for me. This Shuffle was a "gift", and granted I'd like to see it work someday, but for now we can only hope there are enough "upgrade" Tiger users that write to Apple, otherwise they have no big reason to fix something that is only broken for a small minority, though I doubt it is anything more then getting rid of some old Panther files, someplace. Since I actually use my computer for a few work tasks, I don't plan on deleting things I'm not sure about. Already did some standard .pkg's etc, and did not enjoy reinstalling iTunes 3 times now. Sure I guess I could take a few more days or weeks of my time and delete a bunch of stuff on a cloned drive, but I'm not on the Apple payroll, just give them some of my payroll. 🙂

Jun 5, 2005 6:08 AM in response to MacTavish

Good stuff MacTavish. However, I don't think you can discount 4.8 in all of this i.e. just blame it on tiger. I am running 10.3.9 and under the previous version if iTunes all was working perfectly. However, since upgrading to 4.8 I have had as I have described in other posts "general weirdness" as there seems to be no logic to when the problems occur. Examples include, iPod gets stuck in disk mode and won't unmount, error messages saying that the disk could not be found etc. Thankfully I am yet to get to the stage of it not being recognized. Hopefully 4.9 (which is due very very soon - official not rumor will resolve these problems)

Jun 5, 2005 9:00 AM in response to MacTavish

Well, just to add to the confusion, I did an upgrade to Tiger, I've since gone to 10.4.1 and I have iTunes 4.8: and I'm not having any trouble with the Shuffle whatsoever.

This is why so many programmers have ulcers.

P.S. I knew going in that upgrading to Tiger puts me on the bleeding edge and could cause issues (I did have two with the Shuffle but they were of my own making and were easily fixed). If I had 300 pieces of software, etc. I would certainly wait awhile and read a lot of threads on this site before I would ever upgrade. This is why we still have Windows 2000 at work.

Here's hoping Apple has some real wizards for programmers and all issues that are under Apple's control are fixed in 10.4.2/4.9/1.2

Jun 6, 2005 5:33 AM in response to MacTavish

I did an Archive & Install to Tiger (and also the 10.4.1 update). I can connect my 512MB shuffle and delete and add songs (I've always just done it manually), but I get the error dialog saying that my "iPod cannot be updated. Required disc cannot be found." When I hit OK, everything seems to be fine with the shuffle. I'm guessing it is trying to run the 2005-03-23 Updater (that's came with Tiger), and not being able to. However, I guess I'm lucky I can still work with my Shuffle... I had run that Updater back in March under Panther. Maybe that's the difference?

KL

Jun 6, 2005 7:19 AM in response to Kathylee

Well, I spoke (wrote) too soon! iTunes lied to me. While my Shuffle was connected to iTunes, and could add/remove songs off of it with the accompanying error dialog - so I thought it worked, since I could see the correct songs in the iPod playlist. However, when I disconnected it and tried to listen to it in my car on the way to work - it was the OLD playlist - it didn't really get updated. Now I really don't know what "disc it cannot find" - or what the heck it is talking about.

Now I'll have to spend time searching for the tricks the original poster referred to (and have to wait all day til I get back home)

😟


KL

Jun 6, 2005 5:06 PM in response to Kathylee

The saga continues. It is working again! Here is what I did:

At work, plugged it into a Dual G5 running 10.3.9 and iTunes 4.8. Did Not sync it with that iTunes lib, and ejected it from the Finder, but left it in the USB slot to charge. I read about the not charging problems in this topic and thought perhaps I was too low on juice for it to update? I planned on doing a software restore when I got back home to my powerbook.

Got home, plugged in the Shuffle - iTunes popped up without the Updater error dialog. I removed/added songs no problem. Ejected thru iTunes and checked to make sure they were there this time - and voila.

I am wondering if the battery was too low to communicate with iTunes. It had run out of juice and I had it plugged in overnight, but it may not have been charging - I'll check the green light next time.

That's my working theory right now - I didn't reboot my powerbook, didn't repair permissions, and didn't restore the software...

KL

Jun 7, 2005 1:25 PM in response to Kathylee

Thanks for posting this thread - I read it when a gifted shuffle didn't work (I'd already returned one to the store). Already have ipod's in the house but could not for the life of me figure this one out. Tried all the above (except for re-installing the OS - no way!) - alas, the "really nice useful and not at all infuriating" thing needed to be slightly pulled back in the USB slot - not firmly jammed in.

Did someone mention temporomental hardware ?

Jun 11, 2005 5:38 AM in response to MacTavish

And guess what, folks?

my 1G shuffle, also suffering from all the details given here (i can't even go to the gym anymore and listen to music 4 any minutes - it will stop playing after some time and show the panic blinking orange/red lights, this is since Tiger).

So now:
It will best work when managed with my dell D600/WinXP and latest iTunes installed. After restoring the Pod and installing under Win, setting up iTunes i will have:
- a correctly charged Pod, ready for any hours of music played back w/o any troubles
- no stupid messages "You ejected a Device" although nobody was even 1m near the mentioned mac
- iTunes even beeing able to charge the Pod full w music in just one go (1Gbit) w/o failing
- beeing able to use the Pod as storage
-...

SO, APPLE, PLEASE, it there anything to say?

I also have a upgraded 10.4.1 system which came originally from a G4,2x1.25 (another STORY), with 10.2 earliest, and it may not be as fresh as an Apple Engineer would love to have every customers mac, but i believe sw-apps have to be some kind of resistant to what ever troubles may occur. we call that watchdogs in my biz and the constantly have to be fed with kitties food ;))

replacing Podz in 10k's amount daily what they now do might not solve the problem i guess :-//

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