4 Replies Latest reply: Oct 22, 2008 5:41 PM by michael craven1
michael craven1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
Forum,

I have read 24 fps produces a "nicer" look than Pal 25 fps or NTSC 30 fps.

So have spent some time searching for the means to change the PAL footage to 24 fps. without using Cinema tools.

Of course there is an option in Tools.

So I selected a scene in the time line and choose conform 25 to 24 in tools.

Well it tells me the footage is not 25 fps.

This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?

Comments and help would be most welcome.

Thank you

Michael.

MacBook Pro 17 intel core dou 2.4,4Gb.RAM,FCP6.4, Mac OS X (10.5.4), Sony HC9E Pal.
  • Nick Holmes Level 7 Level 7 (29,955 points)
    PAL is shot at 25 fps. Not sure why you are seeing that message from Cinema Tools.

    Why do you feel it is neccessary to convert your video to 24 fps? Unless you are going to transfer it to film for projection, I can't really see a good reason to add this step to your workflow.

    If your intention is to achieve a more cinematic look to your movie, then changing the field dominance to progressive will do that to some extent. This is very simple to achieve in Compressor.

    To go some way to a more cinematic coloring, this tutorial may be of some help:
    http://www.kenstone.net/fcphomepage/film_lookrevisited.html

    There are also several other articles on Ken Stones very informative site, searching for "film look" turned up over 500 results, while searching for the article linked above.
  • stuckfootage Level 4 Level 4 (3,040 points)
    Well it tells me the footage is not 25 fps.
    This news to me as the camera is set to to PAL and I thought PAL is shot at 25 fps?


    PAL is 25 fps. It's possible that you made a mistake somewhere along the line.
    Open the original media (inside the Capture Scratch folder) in QuickTime Player
    and choose Get Info. Is the framerate 25? If not, then you captured it incorrectly
    or you accidentally changed it.

    Cinema Tools works great for conforming, but if you try something, it will
    save to the file without asking you. Maybe that happened while you were
    experimenting.

    So I selected a scene in the time line and choose conform 25 to 24 in tools.


    To conform you need to select the clip in the Browser, not the Timeline.
    If you conform the clip, then the file gets changed, so every instance
    on the Timeline is changed.

    When you've got your 25 footage conformed to 24, you'll notice that the
    sound is pitched lower, so you'll need to change the pitch of the sound track + 4.17%.

    Of course, the question remains: does it look "nicer"?
  • michael craven1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
    Nick Holmes,

    Thank you for your reply.

    I do not know why I seeing that message from Cinema Tools.

    My intention is to try to produce a more cinematic look.

    I have used Compressor to achieve this look.

    Problem is now that I have used so many options I do not know what the original appeared.

    Will start again.

    Many thanks for guiding me to the ken stone site.

    Very useful.

    Regards,

    michael craven.
  • michael craven1 Level 2 Level 2 (165 points)
    stuckfottage,

    Thank you for your reply.

    Get Info would not give me information on the frame rate.
    Very strange.

    However Cinema tools confirms that the footage is 25 fps.

    I did make a mistake by selecting by selecting in the time line and not the browser.

    But I still receive the error message when I select the clip in the browser.

    As I type I have just noticed that there is red line over the sequence in the Timeline.

    So I will render it and see what happens.

    As mentioned in the reply to Nick I have made so many changes I do not know what the original scene looked like.

    I will delete and start again.

    Perhaps I can try you patience again in a day or three.

    Regards,

    Michael.