Screen turns black when gaming?

Hi guys, I bought a MacBook Pro 15" three days after they were released.. everything was going just fine until yesterday, when I was playing Call Of Duty 4, and suddenly my screen went black. I closed/opened the lid and still it was black, everything else was running just fine cause I could hear the game running through my speakers.. but the screen wouldnt turn back on no matter what. I had to use the power button to shut it down and get the screen back.

this happened like 4 times yesterday (all of them while gaming)

should I take it back to the store?

Any help would be greatly appreciated, Thanks.

MacBook Pro 15", Mac OS X (10.5.5), 2.53GHz Intel Core 2 Duo, 4GB 1067 MHz DDR3, Nvidia GeForce 9600GT 512MB

Posted on Oct 26, 2008 11:25 AM

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Dec 10, 2008 1:55 PM in response to ch0b1ts2600

Given the lack of an official response, it may be safe to say that, unfortunately, we are all concluding different things based on what one is going through, or maybe on what we want to believe. It may or may not be hardware, software, or a combination of both.

Review DickDigggler's posts and notice that he/she has also backed-up his/her findings on his/her particular hardware, something that got one of DickDigggler's posts deleted because of (apparently) NDA issues. I was able to catch that post before it was removed, and it is something that has been mentioned in at least one other thread.

Unfortunately Kevenly has yet to follow-up on his/her last post ( http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=8596559#8596559). Notice there is a difference between the first and second laptops in terms of, at least, firmware versions. It might be good to share the same component firmware versions of the MBPs that are and are not working properly when posting as Kevenly did.

Dec 15, 2008 11:38 AM in response to JVTM

Looks like OSX 10.5.6 boasts "Includes general improvements to gaming performance" (according to http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3194 ).

It dosen't sound like they are addressing any problems in particular such as the one that users are reporting in this thread. As one of those who hasn't experienced problems thus far while gaming, I'm still curious to find out if the folks who are having problems are due to hardware or software. Anyone updated to 10.5.6 and found out if this is a fix?

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Dec 23, 2008 4:27 PM in response to JVTM

Here's a little help with understanding kernel panics:

http://developer.apple.com/technotes/tn2002/tn2063.html

A kernel panic can be anything from a simple coding error such as a reference to a null pointer being accessed or a hardware error/failure.

The fact that it's taking a fair amount of time to hear a response (the thread was first posted Oct 26, 2008 1:25 PM) makes me wonder:

1) Nvidia is playing the "prove it's my problem" game with Apple's engineers. The 10.5.6 update included the kernel panic dump with a send feature to Apple proper, makes me wonder about this. And also considering Nvidia's history of not being forthright when something is wrong. Such as the 8600M issue with the previous MBPs.
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3) There is a serious oh *t factor happening. And they are working through the logistical issues of a recall so that when they announce something everyone throughout Apple is ready to go.

I don't do enough Mac OS X coding (mostly VxWorks and Linux embedded) to feel comfortable building a debug version of the OS X kernel in order to gather more information when the bsod occurs. It would be really handy if someone could give it a try, attach the debugger to it remotely, and duplicate the problem and see what we get. The only computer I have at home is my new MBP so remote debugging is out of the question.

Jan 3, 2009 4:53 PM in response to JVTM

Disclaimer: This is a very long post! I wish I could condense it but I really need to get all the details out there to the other people affected by this black screen issue. Everyone interested in this topic should take the time to read all three of my posts to see just how badly Apple is handling this ordeal and in my case, how enough persistence and knowledge of your rights can get the resolution you want, not the resolution they try to force on you.

Part 1 - http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=8649853#8649853
Part 2 - http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=8670471#8670471

Well here it is, my third and final update on this issue...

Sent my MBP out for it's second repair for the black screen of death on 12/29 and got it back yesterday morning. Opened the box and immediately checked the service details paper to see what they did:

016-0001 REALIGN:AdjustmentPerformed (Adjusted the LCD display)
620-4630 ASSY DISPL DRP&SLD DVT M98 (Found out later this is a case replacement)

I felt a bit of dismay when I saw nothing mentioning the logic board or GPU. So I unboxed the MBP and fired it up. First thing I did was go to "About This Mac" to see if the hardware revision had changed for the 9600 but I was shocked to see the very first window report my machine had a 2.53 CPU, especially since for the past three months and since I ordered it I had a 2.8 CPU. What the ****??

On top of that, the case was noticeably different! The black hinge on the back protruded out like it wasn't put on correctly and the lid when closed didn't align properly to the lower section anymore. It just looked very sloppy and added to my frustration level, which before was just about the black screen but now included a secret CPU downgrade and case problems.

Without even bothering to try to reproduce the black screen I got on the phone with Apple support by just calling the 1-800 number right off the bat.

The first tech I got I explained to him that somehow I had been downgraded CPU's during the course of a repair which should of had nothing to do with the CPU at all, yet alone messing with the LCD or case! He was shocked and immediately put me through to customer relations because by then I brought up that enough was enough and I think I want a full refund because I'm done messing with this defective MBP that they just made even worse via repair.

Customer relations heard me out and essentially tried to calm me down a bit and I think they were going to suggest a third repair before I firmly stated that repair was out of the question and couldn't be trusted by me anymore. I kept pushing the refund hard and he contacted sales since my purchase was made via the apple online store. I stayed on hold while he told me he was talking to sales which then escalated to a sales manager for refund approval. After about 15 minutes on hold (I was on the phone for about 50 minutes at this point) he came back and told me that the sales manager had refused my refund stating that my purchase was well past the 14 or 30 day limit for which they would consider to do a refund.

The customer relations guy proceeded to tell me that refunds were nearly impossible to get without a history of hardware related repairs. I was dumbfounded by this because both of my repairs were strictly hardware related, the first being a battery and logic board replacement (but apparently Apple doesn't consider the battery as hardware) and the second being an entire new case! After arguing about the hardware repairs he basically tried to tell me my only option at this point was a replacement, which he called "doing the right thing for you". I almost bought into it at first, he almost convinced me that was my only option at that point but after some quick thought about it, I definitely didn't want this to seem like I was ok with a replacement, and I didn't want to have to start this process all over again when I got the black screen on the replacement which I was sure I would.

So, at nearly the end of the conversation about the replacement I told him to cancel the replacement. He was confused at first, so I explained that the replacement is not my only option since I'm protected by California law (Song-Beverly Warranty Act or "lemon law"). He said he didn't know California law, but I kept hammering on the details of the Song-Beverly act and I think he got the impression that I knew enough about the subject that he couldn't argue with me about it. I finally asked him, so who do I talk to about a refund now? He said he was the person, but I told him that wasn't true because he said a sales manager had refused my refund. So at that point I told him to get me on the line with sales right now and he put me on hold to connect me.

Within a few minutes (total on the phone now was about an hour and 20 minutes) I was connected to a customer support person for sales. Before I even began I made sure that she was the person who could authorize a refund or not, and she was so I started.

I told my whole story, from the multiple black screens all the way up to the wrong processor and jacked up case. 3 months worth of frustration dumped out in a long winded rant about how Apple is not handling this situation well at all, and how I didn't want to have to take this to small-claims for a lemon laptop or round up everyone in the US that is getting screwed by Apple on this MBP black screen defect, or post about it on every website, etc. I was being very serious about all of this and finally I went into the Song-Beverly Warranty Act and basically wrapped up the whole speech asking her to do the right thing and let me wash my hands of this nightmare, also known as my first and probably last Apple computer.

She put me on hold for just about a minute and quickly returned and asked for me to confirm my email address. I did, and asked why she needed me to do that. She told me that they were going to email me FedEx shipping labels and I would print them out and within 3-5 days of them receiving my MBP they would issue me a full refund. I thanked her for being the only person that I talked to that would finally do the right thing and finally got off the phone, about an hour and 40 minutes after first dialing the 1-800 number.

All in all, I know that computers can have problems. Sometimes a piece of hardware is faulty and that is ok, as long as the company behind the fault is honest and has or is working on a fix quickly. In this case, it seems that Nvidia produced an entire faulty line of GPUs, the 9600. Apple quickly jammed them into their new laptops and possibly missed this problem (although I'm not sure how) before they got to market.

I gave them 2 chances and 3 months to come up with a fix, but each repair did nothing but leave me without a laptop and in the case of the last repair, they essentially removed a $300 CPU upgrade without any notice (notice that anything involving the CPU wasn't mentioned on the service details page!).

When this happens, Apple can't expect their consumers who trusted them with their money (and a lot of it!) to sit around and wait with a broken laptop, or continue sending their laptops in for repair that does nothing to fix the ultimate issue.

In my case, refund was the only thing Apple could do to make this right. It's basically them telling me that they screwed up, they can't fix it, so to make things even they'll make it seem like my purchase never happened.

I'm fine with that.

Jan 6, 2009 3:35 PM in response to JVTM

Within the MacBook Pro Family the 17 inch device has just been released in the unibody version.

http://www.apple.com/macbookpro/features-17inch.html

The 17 inch version includes the 9600M GT also! From looking at the construction I can only estimate that it may also show similar heat issues.

Please keep your eyes and ears open.. It would really be interesting to see if the BSOD problems also occur on the 17 inch model. And if the 17 inch 9600M GT shows some kind of updated revision.

Jan 20, 2009 4:55 PM in response to romanroman

You may all wish to refer to this thread - I'm convinced the issues are related.
In my opinion your systems are overheating - crashes/freezes=cpu overheat, black screens =GPU overheat - because the fans are not functioning correctly.

Try some of the tests mentioned in the thread below, both after an SMC reset and sleep/reboot - you may be surprised.

http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=1823105&tstart=15

Oct 27, 2008 9:09 AM in response to JVTM

I had this exact same problem when playing World of Warcraft, the screen would go black after a few minutes and the machine required a power off to reset it. The issue only occurred when using the 9600M GT chip, and would not occur when using the 9400M integrated chip.

I returned the machine to the Apple store for an exchange, and the new system is working properly (so far). I used it for a couple of hours last night and had no video issues.

I hope this isn't indicative of an issue with the NVidia chips, since there are a few people on the World of Warcraft forums complaining about this as well.

My advice would be to take it back to the store as soon as possible for a replacement. If you have the problem with the replacement system, keep exchanging them until you get one that works.

Oct 27, 2008 11:12 AM in response to JVTM

I was reading these forums last night and ran across this page, and just 5 minutes ago this happened to me, it has happened once before, but I don't think I was gaming. This time I was playing Tomb Raider and it was going trough a cutscene, then bam, dead. I bought it at Best Buy, being as I work there. If I swap it out my only concern is either I'll get one with a hinge problem or other type of problem, or that I won't be able to swap my hard drive out with it. Because the rest of my machine is flawless. Any thoughts on this?
-Micro

Oct 27, 2008 1:42 PM in response to MicroJupiter

Same here. I bought 3 days after announcement, and within 2 days, the screen would go black during World Of Warcraft and Ages of Empire III...usually within the first 20 minutes.
At first I thought it might be from the thing getting confused when I plugged and unplugged it ( since enabling the 9600gt involves that Energy control panel), but this is not the case.
It became more frequent and faster. I took it in for exchange, and the new one works fine...though the **** loose hinge thing is annoying, and I have had one full system freeze. Otherwise, the black screen thing is gone, seemingly, for now.

Oct 30, 2008 7:15 AM in response to Anthony C. Kay

Hello,

I do not have the GT activated and I get a black screen. The screen is actually still on (the backlighting) but completely black with the mouse pointer on it. I was able to go back from that state using cmd-opt-esc (force quit). I do not know why, but I guess this is software related...

I am not playing any games and it occurs.
Kind of hard to go to the store and show them as it is fairly random.

One question like that, do you guys have the screen saver lock (password to go out of the screen saver)? The behavior is pretty much similar (black screen etc) and I wonder if it might not be the cause.

Thanks,
Julien.

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