New York font

New York disappeared long ago with Mac OS Classic.

All the original fonts that had city names such as Monaco, Cairo and New York etc were bitmap fonts, that is they were just dots on the screen, they didn't have outlines. Although I can't quite remember whether Apple belatedly made TrueType versions of these.

You shouldn't miss them just use something similar.

PeterBreis0807 wrote:

New York disappeared long ago with *Mac OS Classic*.

All the original fonts that had city names such as Monaco, Cairo and New York etc were bitmap fonts, that is they were just dots on the screen, they didn't have outlines. Although I can't quite remember whether _Apple belatedly made TrueType versions of these._

Honestly I don't know why I bother.

I dislike to underline twice the same item in a given thread but I will make an exception 😉

All the original fonts that had city names such as Monaco, Cairo and New York etc were bitmap fonts, that is they were just dots on the screen, they didn't have outlines. Although I can't quite remember _whether Apple belatedly made TrueType versions of these._

Monaco bitmap was replaced by Monaco.ttf


and at this time it is delivered as Monaco.dfont which is also an outlined font.

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE dimanche 9 novembre 2008 14:40:22)

Although I can't quite remember whether Apple belatedly made TrueType versions of these.

These were turned into TrueType 1 by Prof Charles Bigelow and Kris Holmes. The CMAPs, if memory serves, were Apple Standard Roman.

All the original fonts that had city names such as Monaco, Cairo and New York etc were bitmap fonts

Not to cause confusion, hopefully, but bitmaps and bitmaps only are permissible in TrueType. A basic TrueType font file for Mac OS 9 and lower has both bitmaps and outlines. A TrueType font file can have bitmaps and bitmaps only, however, such as for the Newton operating system including its TrueType fonts for non-Latin. The point is not whether the type technology is simple bitmap or smart outline, but whether the shaping for character-glyph mapping is simple or smart. The OpenType extension to TrueType also address bitmaps, as far as I know.

/hh

It disappeared with MacOS 9 and Classic - a long time ago for some of us.

it was a bitmap font, that was later recreated as a TrueType font by the Bigelow and Holmes studio.

Correct, below Susan Karr. By the bye, Susan Karr also developed the information graphics for the tagged transformation tables of the TrueType and ColorSync file formats.

"Landing in the Macintosh group as a bitmap graphic designer was a lucky break for me, and one interesting part of the job was designing screen fonts. It was especially enjoyable because the Macintosh was able to display proportional typefaces, leaving behind the tyranny of monospace alphabets with their narrow m's and wide i's.

"The first Macintosh font was designed to be a bold system font with no jagged diagonals, and was originally called "Elefont". There were going to be lots of fonts, so we were looking for a set of attractive, related names. Andy Hertzfeld and I had met in high school in suburban Philadelphia, so we started naming the other fonts after stops on the Paoli Local commuter train: Overbrook, Merion, Ardmore, and Rosemont. (Ransom was the only one that broke that convention; it was a font of mismatched letters intended to evoke messages from kidnapers made from cut-out letters ).

"One day Steve Jobs stopped by the software group, as he often did at the end of the day. He frowned as he looked at the font names on a menu. "What are those names?", he asked, and we explained about the Paoli Local.

" 'Well,' he said, 'cities are OK, but not little cities that nobody's ever heard of. They ought to be WORLD CLASS cities!'

"So that is how Chicago (Elefont), New York, Geneva, London, San Francisco (Ransom), Toronto, and Venice (Bill Atkinson's script font) got their names."

/hh

Reference:

http://www.folklore.org/StoryView.py?project=Macintosh&story=WorldClassCities.txt&sortOrder=Sort%20by%20Date&detail=medium&search=susan

PeterBreis0807 wrote:
New York disappeared long ago with Mac OS Classic.

All the original fonts that had city names such as Monaco, Cairo and New York etc were bitmap fonts, that is they were just dots on the screen, they didn't have outlines.

Do you know Lester Young's versions of "These foolish things" ?

Monaco.dfont is available in Mac OS X delivered fonts.

It's really happy because Apple states:

Terminal relies on the Monaco font to function correctly.

NewYork.ttf as well as Chicago.ttf is available in openOffice's fonts.

You may duplicate it in a "standard" fonts folder and it will be available for every program.

This is how I added about 15 fonts to my system's set.

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE samedi 8 novembre 2008 18:46:27)

PeterBreis0807 wrote:
Yvan,

You are not reading the post, which referred to the original fonts.

Are you suffering from memory shortage ?

All the original fonts that had city names such as Monaco, Cairo and New York etc were bitmap fonts, that is they were just dots on the screen, they didn't have outlines. Although I can't quite remember whether _Apple belatedly made TrueType versions of these._

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE dimanche 9 novembre 2008 12:33:36)

PeterBreis0807 wrote:
All the original fonts that had city names such as Monaco, Cairo and New York etc were bitmap fonts, that is they were just dots on the screen, they didn't have outlines. Although I can't quite remember whether Apple belatedly made TrueType versions of these.

Monaco first appeared as a bitmap font - that fits my memory. However, I'm pretty sure New York was an outline font from day one of its history. It was not delivered with the first Macs but came later.

No it was a bitmap font, that was later recreated as a TrueType font by the Bigelow and Holmes studio.

Ah memories!

I don't think New York has ever been something I missed from the Classic OS.

Honestly I don't know why I bother.

The city fonts for the Apple Macintosh introduced in January 1985 were bitmap only and had only one-to-one mapping from character codes to glyph codes. In the character set as it was in January 1985, the top 39 code points were unpopulated.

In August 1987, Sampo Kaasila set to work as Lead Engineer on a spline programming language to support scaling and a character-glyph model to support multiple choice mapping between one character code and many glyph codes.

There are posters who post that the Apple II introduced in 1977 had both upper case and lower case. It did not. And there are posters who post that mixing spot colour in a vat behind the press is the foundation of professional printing. It is not.

With a smile ... -:).

/hh

Reference:

http://www.truetype-typography.com/truetype/sampo.htm

I found some more internet links that confirms that I was wrong. There was a bitmap version before the outline version was developed.

Well... I'm perhaps getting old and losing my memory. Funny, I have not felt old for several decades.

GEN79 wrote:
Where in OpenOffice can I find those fonts? I looked into the package of version 3, and didn't find them.

Normal, version 3 uses the standard fonts folders.

The fonts are available in version 2 or 2.2.

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE samedi 8 novembre 2008 20:50:17)

It's not the TrueType outlines in Monaco that matter, but the layout logic in the font file itself.

Sure, but it's a monaco.dfont which is delivered by Apple with Mac OS X.
So even if peter wrote that it's only a bitmap font, Apple which knows what it does , deliver a monaco font matching the system requirements.
As far as I know, and given the results which I get when I uses it in size 500, the monaco.dfont is not a bitmap one.

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE samedi 8 novembre 2008 23:25:02)

I apologizes Henrick but My Apple || + had lowercases.

Was it a special ROM ? I don't remember.

I remember than I designed a special ROM later for my Apple //e which switched between the French and the English set of characters when the official one switched between French set and the mouse chars.

Yvan KOENIG (from FRANCE lundi 10 novembre 2008 16:06:39)