help: volume ownership & permissions cannot be accessed or changed!

Both my internal hd and external bootable HD have weird Ownership & Permissions which deny me use of mail, address book, installation, etc. I have no idea where this setting came from nor how to get rid of it. Can anyone help me? I haven't found anything on the forums to help so far. And I have no idea what those "custom" privileges mean or where they came from in the first place.

Volume Mac OS 10.4.11
Mac OS Extended (Journaled)
Ownership & Permissions Read & Write
Name admin
Privilege
Read attributes, Write attributes, Read extended attributes, Write extended attributes, Read permissions, List entries, Find files, Add files, Add folders, Delete contents.

Power Mac G4 and Powerbook G4, Mac OS X (10.4.11), Each computer has external bootable HDs firewire connected

Posted on Nov 10, 2008 3:52 AM

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Nov 10, 2008 4:06 PM in response to BDAqua

I had had troubles infinity with my Power Mac G4 and had successfully installed Leopard but found the troubles continued. Finally I gave up and a computer friend installed two hard disks and Mac OS 10.4. From the beginning I have been using both the internal and an external firewire bootable hard disk with Mac OS 10.4.11. The external hard disk began to crash and I repaired it several times, finally reinstalling (as I did on the internal hard disk). When I checked the external hard disk, it had changed to the afore mentioned Ownership & Permissions. When I couldn't get my mail to work on the internal hard disk which had transfered everything from my successful external had disk, I cloned the external onto the internal. Finally everything worked including mail, so I thought, until I tried address book which led me to discover the whole internal hard disk had changed to the afore-mentioned Ownership & Permissions. Now I have two identical hard disks with the same weird Ownership & Permissions. If the Permissions you have mentioned came from Leopard how could they have gotten into the computer? I don't know. I am not schooled in terminal and fear to take that step unless there is none other available. Sorry for the long answer, but it seems that all of the thread pertains to Leopard which I am not using (I have things on Classic that have not yet been upgraded for Leopard use). Please don't give up on me. Thanks in advance.

Nov 10, 2008 4:50 PM in response to jsd2

jsd2 wrote:
… these permissions might be ACLs, used by Leopard but not by Tiger.

Well in fact ACLs were introduced in Tiger, otherwise their presence would not have any effect on a 10.4 system.

But you are right that they probably appeared on the filesystem as a result of using Leopard.

They can be removed using the same Terminal commands in either Tiger or Leopard. But we would need rather more information from the OP on his setup.

Nov 10, 2008 8:04 PM in response to Kaaru Ando

If the Permissions you have mentioned came from Leopard how could they have gotten into the computer?


Your additional info clears up that issue, thank you... we can't see/know anything out here that you don;t tell us... well, actually I'm fairly psychic! 😉

With all you mentioned, it sounds like a RAM problem runnung you around in circles.

Besides trying RAM, I think the best way out of this now is DiskWarrior from Alsoft, you'll need the CD to boot from...

http://www.alsoft.com/DiskWarrior/
If not, we might try an Archive and Install feature, which can give you a new OS, yet preserve your files and settings if you have enough room on your HD...

http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=107120

But we need to find out the actual cause in the first place, Boot off your Apple Hardware Test CD while holding down c , then run the extended Apple Hardware Test.

If you can't find it, Here's the list and downloads for AHT...

http://www.info.apple.com/support/aht.html

Nov 11, 2008 1:52 AM in response to BDAqua

Thank you all for your responses. I had two lectures today at the university so I have not yet had a chance to apply any of the solutions except, of course, the logical Disk Utility which all Mac users learn upon purchase. As the disks both can be used with the exception of permissions which restrict access like address book or mail, I will run the ram test even though I don't believe that is the source of the problem. Talking with a computer programmer at the university (who doesn't know Macs, incidentally) I was introduced to the terminal which was suggested in the form (thank you). He was sure that by working through the terminal I could certainly correct the permissions and that I should learn to use the terminal since I know this much about Macs already. So, tonight I will follow the directions given me by the forum and attempt terminal. Wish me luck.

Nov 11, 2008 8:00 AM in response to Kaaru Ando

It's close to one in the morning but the terminal attempt was successful (sudo fsaclctl -p /Volumes/Name\ of\ Your\ Hard\ Drive -d)! Hopefully Owner: system and Group: admin both with Read & Write Access are the correct settings to use for both my internal and external bootable disks. If not, please tell me differently. Everything seems to work well so far except Address Book still opens for 2 or 3 seconds and then closes. If there is a thread somewhere that you know of for this remaining problem, I would appreciate knowing. The terminal experience was an eye opener for me and perhaps an invitation to a new exploration of Mac. Anyway, thanks a million one and all (I did try downloading AHT but the file was empty, and Disk Warrior as well as TechTool proved fruitless, thanks anyway). I will test out the disks later and let you know whether everything is as good as it seems -- except for Address Book, that is.

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