14 Replies Latest reply: Nov 27, 2008 1:40 AM by juhani h.
ted roberson Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
DOES LOGIC PRO 8 HAVE A PLUGIN FOR REMOVING VOCALS FROM TRACKS?
Thanks.

apple mini, Mac OS X (10.5.4), apple mini
  • Sampleconstruct Level 5 Level 5 (5,870 points)
    NO THERE IS NO SUCH PLUG-IN IN OR OUTSIDE LOGIC.
  • ted roberson Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Thanks for your reply
  • octopi Level 4 Level 4 (1,015 points)
    PARDON? I DIDN'T QUITE HEAR THAT........ I'M A SOUND ENGINEER AND HENCE, A BIT DEAF.

    TRY THE UN-VOCALIZER, IT'S IN INSERT-FACTORY-IMAGINERY-UNVOCALIZE

    IT'S IN WITH THE TALENT-SUPPRESSOR, LOUD, HIT-SINGLE AND SHOUTED-INSTRUCTION-TO-MIDI-CONVERTER PLUG INS.

    thanks

    ps sorry, it's been a long long long week in the studio this week....... so far.
  • marceldada Level 1 Level 1 (90 points)
    I just mute the vocal tracks. Works every time.
  • Sampleconstruct Level 5 Level 5 (5,870 points)
    Thank's for chiming in, together with the TALENT-SUPPRESSOR I can also recommend the unfunky drummer Plug-In from the SchmApple Store http://www.theinternetnowinhandybookform.com/schmapple/dreamonpro.html#
    It's a great bundle!
  • fermusic Level 4 Level 4 (1,130 points)
    Removing vocal from an existing professional and commercial song is one of the most frequaltly question that comes from non-professionals or amateurs who believe that the computer can do miracles

    There is no way to do that... BUT I can suggest to stay tuned with Melodyne developers and his new research about "Direct Note Access" (DNA) technology.
    check out over-there:
    http://www.celemony.com/cms/index.php?id=dna

    The extended features of this extraordinary technology could give, in the near future, an affirmative answer to the question of this thread!
    However, will always be absolutely necessary that the software will be used by qualified personnel in order to obtain a professional result! (and the singers and musicians must be "BRAVO" OR "BRAVI"!!!)

    G
  • Joel S. Silver Level 1 Level 1 (10 points)
    You guys, be nice now!

    There is indeed a way to remove vocals from tracks, and the technology has been around for awhile. My Roland VS-880 had an effect that did that 10 years ago.

    It only works when the vocals are in the absolute centre, not panned at all. The trick is to use phase cancellation in a specific frequency range, in a specific panoramic location. The results are varied, from stunningly perfect to just weird. Often, you'll end up with no main vocals, but the reverb from the vocals will still be audible.

    Try Google searching - there are SEVERAL plug-ins that can do decent jobs of this, or, if you are feeling especially nerdy, you could probably have some luck experimenting with Logic's Spectral Gate and Stereo Spread plug-ins.

    Good luck...

    -j
  • fermusic Level 4 Level 4 (1,130 points)
    Sorry,

    On My mix the Roland machine cannot works...

    I always use Mono to Stereo FX delay with double vocal tracks on my songs!...

    but... I have some demo songs on my web site.... I'm not sure...
    the Reverbs and Delays are always Stereo on my MixDown...

    check it! ... and let me know if that works! (please send me the resulting file if possible)

    G
  • Sampleconstruct Level 5 Level 5 (5,870 points)
    It only works when the vocals are in the absolute centre, not panned at all

    Well, it could work on mono recordings from the 1950s then. Cool!
  • fermusic Level 4 Level 4 (1,130 points)
    Great point!

    ... but I think it works only with stereo mix...

    only the voice must be in MONO...
    if the voice is recorded and mixed in MONO over than a Stereo soundtracks the ROLAND machine can remove all the sounds that are located in perfect center position phase...

    only left and rigth antiphase will remain untouched...

    every instrument that was recorded in the perfect center position will be removed...
    So if you use that machin on a mono mix... you will hear only the perfect and absolute silence!
    Trust me, .... stay tuned with Melodyne developers...

    the only problem is:
    if the voice and piano play the same tune... you will remove ALL the notes that play that tune...

    if the vocal track sing a C3 and guitar, piano, strings... play C3 too at same time.... All C3s notes will be deleted

    Cheers

    G
  • Sampleconstruct Level 5 Level 5 (5,870 points)
    Yeah, I was being a bit stupid here...
  • litesnsirens Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Sample if I'm not mistaken that was a tongue in cheek comment, and I got it... so you know it wasn't lost on everyone. As far as the VS880... I'd like to hear the "stunning' results I had one of those way way back and the bottom line is you are taking out frequencies that are panned centre, so ... as pointed out the reverbs and delays are almost never panned centre and won't get removed... but there are a lot of other instruments that suffer from the removal of said frequencies and to my ear ... the results always suck... DNA is just new and even though a revolutionary break-through, I seriously doubt it's anywhere close to that. I mean he did have a break through playing with the math of frequencies but when it comes to trying to separate formants all those other unique elements that distinguish between the sounds of different instruments including voice .. forget it...

    At this point DNA won't even separate drums, and for all intents and purposes you could argue that each drum in a kit is pitched differently ... They are sooooo far from separating instruments sharing frequencies not worth mentioning...
  • Sampleconstruct Level 5 Level 5 (5,870 points)
    It's amazing how many users here actually want this sort of functionality. Remove vocals from tracks - why? Are they all into Karaoke or do they intend to write new lyrics to those songs or what?
  • juhani h. Level 2 Level 2 (260 points)
    The cancel-the-mono-signal-trick is handy for analyzing how a production has been done. You hear the side signals clearer and I use this often to show students certain aspects of music production. Like digital distortion, reverb, effects, vocal dubs, panning, string arrangements etc.

    In the past I have did it as a last resort for removing vocals and adding new ones. We´re talking bachelor/stag parties here. The result was almost always pretty horrendous but then again it never mattered because it was just for fun and the people singing were so drunk anyway. I´d usually filter out some lows in the mono signal to still have some bass left.

    And yes, Sample, I got it too...

    /Juhani