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Need to ID G4 part:socket came off logic board (blue & white power cable

In the course of disassembling a G4 iBook the socket for the blue & white power cable wiring harness broke off the logic board.

I am trying to learn the correct desciption of this part so I can find a replacement. The wires on the bottom which were soldered to the board broke off.

Even after it was broken off, and I had leverage, I had to use two pairs of pliers to get the plug out of this socket. It should never have been assembled so tightly.

iBook G4 logic board

Posted on Nov 29, 2008 1:23 AM

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Posted on Nov 29, 2008 7:17 AM

Hey Gatesisthedevil,
In the course of disassembling a G4 iBook the socket for the blue & white power cable wiring harness broke off the logic board.

If you read my posts around here I warn against trying to remove this plug with out the proper tools.

I am trying to learn the correct desciption of this part so I can find a replacement. The wires on the bottom which were soldered to the board broke off.

There is no replacement part for this. Are there still solderable leads on the bottom of the socket. I'm talking .3 mm wide X 1 mm long.
If not you can just replace that plug with a ultra micro connector (hobby shop) or just solder the wires I mention later and shrink tube the connection.
Is the same true of he logic board? If not the power soft start circuit will have to be traced out.
I've repaired this using ultrafine wire like < 30 Ga. soldering it to the bottom of the socket and then the other end to the logic board. Had to machine special solder tips.
I've done 4 successfully so far. On's been running for 2 years.

<div class="jive-quote">Even after it was broken off, and I had leverage, I had to use two pairs of pliers to get the plug out of this socket.
I use a special forged set of micro gear pullers and hold downs made from two tweezers.
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=tweezersm odded.jpg
Here's a close up of the plug end.
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=iBookPowe rplugleadinsertion.jpg
This was for someone who had ripped the connector body out of the jack.

A second option to resoldering the socket end would be to end the leads coming from the logic board in like #26 solid copper. That would fit right in to the plug (try first for size)

It should never have been assembled so tightly.

I find they're difficult to remove since you can't come in to the jack along the long axis. You have to be 45º off axis to grasp the shoulders.

Richard
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Nov 29, 2008 7:17 AM in response to firstname lastname

Hey Gatesisthedevil,
In the course of disassembling a G4 iBook the socket for the blue & white power cable wiring harness broke off the logic board.

If you read my posts around here I warn against trying to remove this plug with out the proper tools.

I am trying to learn the correct desciption of this part so I can find a replacement. The wires on the bottom which were soldered to the board broke off.

There is no replacement part for this. Are there still solderable leads on the bottom of the socket. I'm talking .3 mm wide X 1 mm long.
If not you can just replace that plug with a ultra micro connector (hobby shop) or just solder the wires I mention later and shrink tube the connection.
Is the same true of he logic board? If not the power soft start circuit will have to be traced out.
I've repaired this using ultrafine wire like < 30 Ga. soldering it to the bottom of the socket and then the other end to the logic board. Had to machine special solder tips.
I've done 4 successfully so far. On's been running for 2 years.

<div class="jive-quote">Even after it was broken off, and I had leverage, I had to use two pairs of pliers to get the plug out of this socket.
I use a special forged set of micro gear pullers and hold downs made from two tweezers.
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=tweezersm odded.jpg
Here's a close up of the plug end.
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=iBookPowe rplugleadinsertion.jpg
This was for someone who had ripped the connector body out of the jack.

A second option to resoldering the socket end would be to end the leads coming from the logic board in like #26 solid copper. That would fit right in to the plug (try first for size)

It should never have been assembled so tightly.

I find they're difficult to remove since you can't come in to the jack along the long axis. You have to be 45º off axis to grasp the shoulders.

Richard

Nov 29, 2008 10:40 AM in response to spudnuty

Spud-- I'm going to use conductive epoxy; I don't have access to anyone with micro soldering skills.

re previous posts -- unfortunately the Search logic is not precise enough to ask about this particular connector. Any search containing "logic board" gets swamped with the famous failure issue.

I went to an electronics specialty store and they didn't have any connectors of that style, let alone size. I'd like to replace the socket so I can use the existing plug on the blue & white wire.

Last night I spend some hours surfing "connector" etc and didn't see any photos that matched it on any distributor/manufacturer sites. So I'm still wondering what the correct descriptive word is, as used in the trade.

My "backup" iBook G3/Panther is taking about 30 seconds to load an average web page though. Spinner locks it up while loading one at a time. Wonder if installing Tiger and a newer Safari would help? I just got a chip to max out the memory, still have to install it.

For those who haven't seen it, the plug is a solid rectangle with two holes; the socket has a rectangular single cavity with two prongs sticking up from the bottom. TINY, THIN prongs.

The socket bottom has no leads on it (anymore). They are broken off flush with the plastic on the bottom. I was thinking of using a dental burr to grind into them, creating a small cavity, and then using conductive epoxy. I don't know if the bottom plastic is thick enough; if I go too far then it would ruin the prongs sticking up in the cavity.

But I could epoxy a wire stub, as long as possible to still fit into the space above the board & below the top of the shield/case. Then epoxy each wire to the pad on the board. The pads are about 1 mm x 2 mm or less, and worse, the gap between them is under 1mm wide. I'll have to goop some insulating silicone putty in that gap before putting tiny dabs of epoxy on the pads.

I bought some larger socket/plugs at the store, the socket part has no leads in it though. These sockets are they type that use the wire lead of the style shown in your photo of the repaired plug. I also got some different ones with flat prongs.

I'd like to move the connection point from the board to under the case top -- the blue & white wire runs all the way from the other side of the case. I just need a thin enough connector. Worst case -- leave as much slack wire length as possible and solder a Western Union splice.

If I can epoxy leads to the board without shorting between the pads I can figure something out. Need to carefully estimate the space available. Or as you say, just make some prongs.

You say #26 is the right wire gauge -- that's vital data. I don't want to undersize the power leads !

I'm also going to paint non-conductive coating on the board around the pad area, so I can slop the epoxy without worrying about shorting a trace. I've had to do some scraping to remove the gummy gluey stuff -- I presume its silicone adhesive of some kind.

There is some sort of test connection right above this area, with two little prongs sticking up. Marked "J1." The traces look like they go to the socket. I wonder if they use that to use alligator clips to power up the board during assembly testing? That location is much, much larger than the pads for the socket.

Nov 29, 2008 11:06 AM in response to spudnuty

Hmmm, another way to block the gap between the pads on the board would be to superglue a piece of non-conductive plastic sheet a couple mm tall.

What kind of plastic sheet though? It would have to be non-conductive and accept superglue. What about the white Polyethylene (?) model making sheet you can get at an ordinary hobby store?

And you said "ultra micro connector" -- is that a name the clerk at a model hobby store would recognize from the world of Radio Controlled airplanes etc?

Nov 29, 2008 7:33 PM in response to firstname lastname

Gates,
There is some sort of test connection right above this area, with two little prongs sticking up. Marked "J1." The traces look like they go to the socket. I wonder if they use that to use alligator clips to power up the board during assembly testing? That location is much, much larger than the pads for the socket.

OK Gates, exactly which iBook logic board are we talking about here?

There is some sort of test connection right above this area, with two little prongs sticking up. Marked "J1.

Maybe you should post pics of that.
On this 1.2 GHz and 800 MHz G4 logic boards that I have here "J1" IS the power socket connector.
oh and also:
You say #26 is the right wire gauge -- that's vital data. I don't want to undersize the power leads !

The circuit we're talking about here is the "soft start" circuit typically you're grounding the base of a transistor so there is hardly any current passing through that wire so even say 40 Ga would do the job.

The socket bottom has no leads on it (anymore). They are broken off flush with the plastic on the bottom. I was thinking of using a dental burr to grind into them, creating a small cavity, and then using conductive epoxy. I don't know if the bottom plastic is thick enough; if I go too far then it would ruin the prongs sticking up in the cavity.

Ahh I gotta tell you I don't think that will work. The contact area will be so small and when you go to plug it in and reassemble the flexation will cause that connection to break.
I also have to say that your search for the exact socket will be very difficult. Even you could find one that is the right size, finding one that has the exact "keying" will be just about impossible.
Here's what I would do.
Look at this.
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=iBookpowe rsocketandwire.jpg
That wire is some fine stranded wire that I salvaged from an old broken VCR.
So I would use say 3 of strands in that wire, twist them together and solder them solid. You could practice doing this until you get it rignt. Use a very tiny iron ( like 15 Watts ) and tiny solder like .015 dia.
Prep (tin) the other end of two wires (actually I just used a hunkin' solder gun to do the ones in the pic - fast and handy )
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=preppedwi reends.jpg
and that's a mm rule under the ends. So I just position those over the broken lands and tack solder them down.

Finally I don't think you can do this repair using conductive epoxy and silicone putty. Getting the conductive in the wrong place can kill your board. Silicone in the wrong place can make resoldering of the board very difficult.
Richard

Message was edited by: spudnuty

Dec 1, 2008 1:32 AM in response to spudnuty

Spudnuty,

I seem to have a very similar problem to Gates, and while I can't offer any further help for him (sorry), I was hoping I could get your input on my similar problem. Let me know if you'd like me to start this on a new post/thread.

Similar to Gates, I was replacing a HDD when the power socket for the G4 seperated from the logic board. Luckily, it looks like the socket has come up whole. Please see the pic:

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq131/bards_photos/iBookG4socket.jpg

I've cleaned up the bottom of the 4 'feet' and the whole socket is clean and intact. Yay. Here's a pic of the logic board it's disconnected from:

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq131/bards_photos/iBookG4board.jpg

What I was hoping you could advise me is, can I reconnect the two? Does it involve soldering work, and if so, should I seek out a professional? I don't have any experience with soldering circuit/logic boards.

Thanks in advance for any advice.

Bards.

Dec 1, 2008 10:28 AM in response to Bards

Bards,
Similar to Gates, I was replacing a HDD when the power socket for the G4 seperated from the logic board.

So you've read my recommendation about not removing the power connector?
Luckily, it looks like the socket has come up whole.

Yup looked at the pic and it's in good shape.
Which model is that from? The power leads are more accessible in this model.

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq131/bards_photos/iBookG4socket.jpg

I've cleaned up the bottom of the 4 'feet' and the whole socket is clean and intact. Yay.

Yes the back two pads are for physical attachment the power leads are in the front.
The back left attachment looks bent.
Here's a pic of the logic board it's disconnected from:

Well the electrical contacts look good.

What I was hoping you could advise me is, can I reconnect the two?

Yes
Does it involve soldering work

Absolutely
if so, should I seek out a professional? I don't have any experience with soldering circuit/logic boards.

Well I posted pics here of how it should be oriented.
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=Powersock etcompositedirect.jpg
If you're good at micro soldering it would be pretty simple. Since the physical attachment pad is missing the attachment would be very delicate. You could replace that attachment with epoxy which would help.
An alternate method of attachment and one I've used which is a lot simpler is to attach the two with a pair of very tiny wires.
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=socketwit hwires.jpg
http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=Wiresonci rcuitboardpowersocket.jpg
The leads to the socket would be covered with shrink tubing.
Richard

Dec 4, 2008 7:08 PM in response to firstname lastname

Hmmm, somehow I didn't see Bard's items before posting.my previous post.

Glad to learn that the two big attachment points are only physical.

My female (on-board) connector looks different. It is enclosed, not open on one side. And it does not have any metal on the sides -- but that might be because it was left behind stuck to the board and then broken off. I think the physical attachment metal on mine must have been much thinner, too.

I have a G4 iBook 1.42 GHz, I guess the last/fastest board.

I epoxied it on, but it broke when trying to push in the plug. Probably because I had attached it backwards -- so its a good thing. Second round of epoxy is drying now overnight.

If I had read all the above first I would also have tacked some regular epoxy or superglue under the physical attachment points. But it seems to be pretty flat & stable on the board, so if I push vertically I don't think I'll break the epoxy bond.

I only hope I did not slop the epoxy too far sideways & create a short; I could not see as well with the connector in the correct orientation.

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My next option might be to cut a hole in the plastic cover so I can access the wires with everything put together. I would first epoxy a wire to the board, cut off the plug, and use the hole to epoxy the bare wires together & stuff them down the hole, covering it with tape.

I don't have a micro soldering iron or the skill, so I would use epoxy.

Dec 4, 2008 7:19 PM in response to firstname lastname

WRT photo:

http://s291.photobucket.com/albums/ll306/spudnuty/?action=view&current=Wiresonci rcuitboardpowersocket.jpg

My board does not have the two holes drilled thru it.

I like that you have carved out some depth into the board to make a furrow in which to epoxy a long enough length to make it strong.

How deep & wide? What size Dremel burr did you use? How deep would be TOO deep?

Dec 4, 2008 8:15 PM in response to firstname lastname

Gates,
Are you talking to me??
I like that you have carved out some depth into the board to make a furrow in which to epoxy a long enough length to make it strong.
How deep & wide? What size Dremel burr did you use? How deep would be TOO deep?

NO, NO! those are not furrows. Those are red and green wires Photoshopped on top of bard's photo of his board. They are just very short .
DO NOT grind anywhere on your logic board. These boards are deceptively complex and what you're looking at could have at least three levels of copper traces even under the two power pads we're looking at. It would be a good way to absolutely kill the board.
Richard

Dec 19, 2008 2:19 PM in response to firstname lastname

So, you got it to work...

I have the same computer, and I'm in the same situation. The socket came loose from the logic board, but not totally off. Anyway, the computer does not turn on. I was wondering exactly how you got the problem fixed? Did you remove the socket from the logic board and just solder the wires from the upper case to the logic board? Did you use a different wire to attach it all together? I've got to attempt to fix the same problem, so I'm wondering what my options are.

Thanks,

bjticohan

Dec 19, 2008 7:41 PM in response to bjticohan

My socket came completely off, and the two wires on the rearward side of the case broke completely off. But those two are only for structural support.

I used conductive epoxy, and used a long enough "stripe" on each side to get a lot of contact between the socket and the board.

The critical thing is to keep the two "stripes" from touching each other and shorting it out. There is less than 1mm of gap between them.

I also sanded the sides of the plug to make it a bit smaller, so it does not fit quite as tightly. There is a bump molded inside the socket, but I could not sand it down because the two small wires sticking up are in the way.

Need to ID G4 part:socket came off logic board (blue & white power cable

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