PowerMac G4 as video controller - upgrade how?

My parents are considering hooking up their old G4 PowerMac to their new 46" 1280p 120Hz Sharp LCD- Mainly so they can stream their favorite television shows when they miss their air time. It would be useful for use with Front Row since they've a large library of their movies ripped to the server and linked in iTunes.

The problem with both these media types is that the PowerMac just can't keep up. At times, it's as slow as a frame every 3 seconds. I'd like to give them a Christmas gift of making the machine work for them, but I'm not sure simple upgrades will do the trick.

I'd start with maxing out the RAM and getting a better video card. As to which kind would be most cost effective, I'm not sure. Below I list the current specs of the machine. As I've seen others ask upgrade questions and get answers, what does this PowerMac need to play non-high-def. videos? High-def video? All suggestions would be appreciated.

Specs:

Hardware:
Hardware Overview:
Model Name: Power Mac G4
Model Identifier: PowerMac3,5
Processor Name: PowerPC G4 (2.1)
Processor Speed: 867 MHz
Number Of CPUs: 1
L2 Cache (per CPU): 256 KB
L3 Cache (per CPU): 2 MB
Memory: 896 MB
Bus Speed: 133 MHz
Boot ROM Version: 4.2.5f1

ATA:
ATA Bus:
IBM-IC35L040AVER07-0:
Capacity: 38.35 GB
Model: IBM-IC35L040AVER07-0
Revision: ER4OA44A
Serial Number: SXPTXJL9663
Removable Media: No
Detachable Drive: No
BSD Name: disk0
Protocol: ATA
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
Low Power Polling: No
Mac OS 9 Drivers: No
Partition Map Type: APM (Apple Partition Map)
S.M.A.R.T. status: Verified
Volumes:
Macintosh HD:
Capacity: 38.22 GB
Available: 11.62 GB
Writable: Yes
File System: Journaled HFS+
BSD Name: disk0s3
Mount Point: /
ATA Bus:
TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1102:
Model: TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1102
Revision: 1A18
Serial Number: 8171319486
Detachable Drive: No
Protocol: ATAPI
Unit Number: 0
Socket Type: Internal
Low Power Polling: No
Audio (Built In):
Built In Sound Card:
CODEC: Texas Instruments TAS3001C
Sample Rate: 44.1 KHz
Number of Inputs: 0
Number of Outputs: 3
Devices:
Output:
Type: Internal Speaker
Output:
Type: External Speaker
Output:
Type: Headphones

Disc Burning:
TOSHIBA DVD-ROM SD-R1102:
Firmware Revision: 1A18
Interconnect: ATAPI
Burn Support: Yes (Apple Shipping Drive)
Cache: 2048 KB
Reads DVD: Yes
CD-Write: -R, -RW
Write Strategies: CD-TAO, CD-SAO, CD-Raw
Media: Insert media and refresh to show available burn speeds
FireWire:
FireWire Bus:
Maximum Speed: Up to 400 Mb/sec
Graphics/Displays:
NVIDIA GeForce2 MX:
Chipset Model: GeForce2 MX
Type: Display
Bus: AGP
Slot: SLOT-1
VRAM (Total): 32 MB
Vendor: NVIDIA (0x10de)
Device ID: 0x0110
Revision ID: 0x00b2
ROM Revision: 1055
Displays:
Apple Studio Display:
Display Type: LCD
Resolution: 1280 x 1024
Depth: 32-bit Color
Core Image: Software
Main Display: Yes
Mirror: Off
Online: Yes
Quartz Extreme: Supported
Memory:
DIMM0/J21:
Size: 512 MB
Type: SDRAM
Speed: PC133-333
Status: OK
Manufacturer: Unknown
Part Number: Unknown
Serial Number: Unknown
DIMM1/J22:
Size: 128 MB
Type: SDRAM
Speed: PC133-333
Status: OK
Manufacturer: Unknown
Part Number: Unknown
Serial Number: Unknown
DIMM2/J23:
Size: 256 MB
Type: SDRAM
Speed: PC133-333
Status: OK
Manufacturer: Unknown
Part Number: Unknown
Serial Number: Unknown
Power:
System Power Settings:
AC Power:
System Sleep Timer (Minutes): 0
Disk Sleep Timer (Minutes): 10
Display Sleep Timer (Minutes): 20
Sleep On Power Button: Yes
Automatic Restart On Power Loss: No
Wake On AC Change: No
Wake On Clamshell Open: Yes
Wake On LAN: Yes
Wake On Modem Ring: Yes
Hardware Configuration:
UPS Installed: No

Thanks in advance for the help.

1.67Ghz - 17 PowerBook G4, Mac OS X (10.5), 2GB SD-RAMM

Posted on Nov 29, 2008 9:07 PM

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Nov 30, 2008 3:50 PM in response to Dan Bargen

It really does depend on your budget.
An Intel mac would be the best for sure, even a Mac Mini with a few upgrades.
I know that my G4/933 struggles to digitise video from old VCR tapes but my dual MDD does not, using the same PCI card.
I play SD video through my MDD to an older CRT TV but the demands of later LCD TVs are probably higher.
I'd say that would be roughly the same scenario for your parents.
I'd look at getting a dual MDD 1.25GHz or 1.4GHz and maxing everything on it, or a later model G5.
1) Big internal HD
2) max 2Gb Ram
3) 256mb video card something like a 9800 XT with TV out whether it is a genuine Mac card or flashed PC card.

Stewie

Dec 2, 2008 1:24 PM in response to stewiesno1

I can tell you that a DVI connection would be sufficient for this TV. I’ve got a DVI->HDMI converter that does the trick at full resolution (no stretching necessary) with my Powerbook. At this point, I just need a graphics card that will at least support 720p (preferably 1080p) resolution and can handle the usual 30 fps for watching movies over the network. As a side note, although my Powerbook can drive a 30” display and regularly drives a 26-incher with a 1920x1200 resolution, the TV only seems to allow it to put out 1080i. That card is a mobile Radeon 9600. Please take that into account with your graphics card suggestions.

If you think the 867Mhz processor just won’t cut it, do you know where I can buy one to switch it out that will? I’m not sure exactly which processors are compatible with the machine, but the system profile should tell those of you with knowledge on the topic which would be.

Dec 2, 2008 7:23 PM in response to Dan Bargen

Best Graphics card you can put in that machine is an Nvidia 7800GS.

Sadly, they are DVI / VGA BUT>>>>the DVI is DUal Link...it could run a 30" at 2560x1600 if need be.

You could pay $200+ for a flashed one on Ebay or get crafty and flash one yourself. I have seen the basic card on local Craigslist for as little as $40 (here in LA...don't know about where you live)

Next best card is also a flashed one...Nvidia 6800 or a Radeon X800, however a flashed Radeon X800 with DVI is MIGHTY rare.

Again, you can buy any of these on EBay, but it is MUCH cheaper to do-it-yourself. Does require some strict attention to detail, however.

Sadly, there is no way to "flash" a processor...gotta get the real thing. OWC sells upgrades I believe, but brace yourself for a shock. It is CHEAPER to get a nice used G5 than the really fast Dual G4 upgrades. Sad but true.

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