Images Appear "Dull" and Dark After Import and Opening in Preview Pane

I just got back from a trip. I took hundreds of fantastic photos on the trip and used Aperture to manage them on my MBP. When I got home I transferred the files to my iMac and then imported them to Aperture on the desktop machine. Everything looked fine, then as soon as I began clicking on thumbnails to preview images, each one of them I previewed became darker, a moment or two after opening in the preview pane. It's strange. All of the photos looked vibrant and as they do on the MBP, but when previewed they turned "dull" or darker. This also slowly began to happen with other thumbnail images, without them being opened in the preview pane.

I even opened the images on my MBP and compared them side-by-side to the iMac, and there IS a very noticeable difference. I would've thought that it was just due to a difference in monitors, if I didn't first see the image in its normal vibrancy for a few moments before it "changed" to the dark/dull state. I can't undo this action by any means I have been able to discover, and I don't have any automated color/brightness correction going on, to my knowledge.

Please help. I have hundreds of photos that are potentially affected by this, and don't want to fiddle with it for fear of making these changes to the images permanent.

Thank you.

Message was edited by: Vineminer

Message was edited by: Vineminer

Intel iMac 2.33Ghz, Mac OS X (10.4.7), also using MacBook Pro

Posted on Jan 2, 2009 12:35 PM

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Jan 2, 2009 2:18 PM in response to tangfish

If I understand your description corrrectly, it's when viewing the actual photo, not its thumbnail? Some things to look at:
you didn't say what filetype the photo was - is it jpeg or RAW?
what camera?
are you running the same version of Aperture configured in the same way on both machines?
Are your iMac and MBP both calibrated? What you may be seeing is the result of different brightness in the screens.


Regards,
Calx

Jan 2, 2009 2:43 PM in response to CalxOddity

Good questions.

I am talking about RAW photos shot with a Nikon D300. It first happened to the images when clicking on the thumbnail and opening said photo in the preview pane. Then, a second or two after the image opened looking as it was supposed to (in terms of colors and brightness, not sharpness - I know that the preview does not open in full resolution immediately sometimes), the whole image became darker. Then, the thumbnail looked the same way.

I have the same version of Aperture running on both machines, though the one on the laptop is a trial that I plan to add the S/N for soon. I have not calibrated on either machine.

Jan 2, 2009 3:26 PM in response to tangfish

The preview that you are looking at was the jpg preview generated in camera by the Nikon software - the default RAW conversions on that NEF file will be much darker, lower contrast and cooler than what Nikon will render by default in NX2 or in-camera.

Take a look here for some additional info:

[Aperture and NEF RAW conversions|http://photo.rwboyer.com/2008/12/aperture-2-and-nef-raw-recipies>

RB

Jan 2, 2009 3:38 PM in response to rwboyer

Hmm.... I'm not sure if I understand you correctly or not, but just to clarify - I am not talking about any images on the Nikon's LCD, nor did I shoot any in JPG using the camera. I shot them in RAW (.NEF) format. They looked great on the MBP. They looked great on the iMac as well, for a few moments before they darkened before my eyes as Aperture was running some sort of operation or rendering of the images.

I hope that I explained this in a clear way. I did see the images as they are supposed to appear, in Aperture preview pane, on the machine I am talking about - at one point.

Jan 2, 2009 3:46 PM in response to tangfish

Trust me on this. Also understand that your impression of the image on the mbp will be different than the imac. I have shot nikons for years and I have used Aperture since day one. The biggest complaint of Nikon shooters with Aperture and other non-nikon raw processors is this issue. The images you are first seeing that you are speaking of are the previews embedded in the NEF.

RB

Jan 2, 2009 4:01 PM in response to rwboyer

Okay, you obviously know more than I do. So, I am first seeing a jpg embedded in the NEF file (even though I am not shooting in RAW + jpg mode), so they look better initially - then I see the true NEF file that looks more subdued?

Also, I had another pair of eyes look at this and there's even a noticeable difference between what we see in the same image using Preview and Aperture. So, my question is: what does someone else see in terms of output? Do I correct for this when readying files for export, or am I only "seeing" this subdued effect in Aperture, and nowhere else?

Is there any documentation on this? Seems like a pretty significant issue.

Thanks for your help, btw.

Jan 2, 2009 6:01 PM in response to tangfish

If your monitor is even close to calibrated you are seeing what everyone else will see if you export as is. You need to "correct" it to your liking and then export it.

Did you take a look at the link? There are some sample NEF files there as well as JPGs as rendered by the camera software and JPGs "matched" via Aperture along with a general recipe for NEF files to match a more Nikonish rendering of the NEF.

If you would like me to help validate what you are seeing along with the default pict control renderings via NX2 just hit me up and send me an NEF, I would be glad to validate your findings.

RB

Jan 4, 2009 10:03 PM in response to rwboyer

Alright, I calibrated my monitor with two sets of eyes. It does look better than it did with the factory settings.

And, I did read up on the article you provided, and now understand that I may need to change some settings in the camera itself, if I plan to use Aperture (I do).

But, I still don't understand why the images look great in Aperture right off the bat, then appear to "change" when I select them and review them in the preview pane.

I'm still puzzled, and am not sure if I'm explaining this clearly enough. Bottom line: if the images simply looked duller/darker than I expect them to in Aperture from the moment I opened them - then calibrating my monitor and modifying the settings in the Nikon would be a straightforward solution. However, for a few moments I am able to see the images just as they should look, and as they do look on my MacBook Pro.

Any other ideas, folks?

Jan 5, 2009 12:56 AM in response to tangfish

Any other ideas, folks?


Perennial problem: What is it - precisely - that we see when we see a colourant rendering on a digital colour device?

This has preoccupied people since the start of digitisation. In prepress as it was until 1995 when the International Color Consortium released the ICC Specification, you had a viewable graphic as a colour photograph on reflective paper or as a colour photograph on transmissive film (called a 'chrome').

The photographer handed the 'chrome' to the scanner operator and on the optical lathe of a drum scanner the light was split into an R, a G, and a B channel, converted into electric and then electronic data, corrected in the colour computer, and 'saved' directly onto separated film or into DCS EPS.

If there was disagreement about the colour reproduction, then the photographer had the original viewable graphic, and the scanner operator and press operator had to pick which one was responsible for not reproducing the colours. The idea in the ICC framework is to address the situation that arises in a world without a viewable graphic.

In a world without a viewable graphic, the colour photograph consists of TWO parts, not ONE part. The first part is the digitized colourant data, the Red component, the Green component, and the Blue component in the channel values and the second part consists of the colour definitions in the form of the ICC profile that determines the colours those colourants should form.

When you see digital colour devices that render colour differently, you need to begin by asking yourself what ICC device profiles determine how those colour devices render colour, and what rendering intents determine the conversions between those ICC device profiles. Software publishers should make this simple, since the ICC framework is itself simple enough.

/hh

Feb 10, 2009 2:25 PM in response to tangfish

With all due respect to the color experts in this discussion to root of Vineminer's problem is actually the RAW engine. The Update to DCRCU 2.4 had some adverse effects on certain file types.

Please try this go to [http://www.apple.com/downloads/macosx/apple/application_updates/digitalcamerar awcompatibilityupdate23.html] and download the 2.3 RAW package.

Navigate to Hard Drive/System/Library/CoreServices/ and delete the file RawCamera.bundle.

Then run the package (installer) for RAW 2.3 that you downloaded and restart.

Should fix you right up.

Feb 24, 2009 12:54 AM in response to tangfish

I've been poking around in the Aperture settings. I still haven't figured out how to stop whatever automated process that's occurring from happening, but I did look more closely at what's happening to the thumbnails. It's not just that they're appearing darker, it seems that the contrast is being increased overall. This happens to them in sequence, just moments after they are imported.

Three places I looked into with hopes of finding the source of the automated process were:

1) Preferences > Auto adjust black/white clip [what does this do, exactly?
2) Preferences > Previews > Use embedded JPEG from camera when possible [whatever this is, I unchecked it]
3) Inspector HUD > Raw Fine Tuning [I noticed that there is a default Apple preset]

Manipulating all three of these didn't help me stop the problem from happening, but I do think that of all three, #3 seems most like something that is affecting all files being imported. The part that has me stumped is the fact that I've tried shooting and importing JPEG as well as RAW files, and those are affected by the darkening as well shrug

???

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