Score: Changing 'split' point (for different hands) throughout a piece

I don't do a massive amount of score work, but when I do, it's usually single staff stuff. However I have some piano pieces I need to print and present in full glory and I'm stuck already...

Basically, I obviously need to define the left and right hand parts between the treble and bass clefs, but no matter where I set the split point in 'Staff Styles' its never convenient for the whole piece. So for example I can set it to D3 for the first 4 bars, but then a C3 note enters which needs to be played by the right hand, but its showing in the bass clef.

How do I remedy this so I can choose which line a note appears on depending on which hand it should be played with. There's a large range on most of the pieces so I'm going to need to figure this out...

Hope that all makes sense. Look forward to figuring it out (not to mention a whole load of other issues I'm yet to encounter!).

Cheers - Sidx

G5 Dual 2Ghz 3gig RAM and MacBook Dualcore 2Ghz 1Gig RAM, Mac OS X (10.4.11), Logic 8.02

Posted on Jan 26, 2009 9:47 AM

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Jan 29, 2009 7:04 AM in response to musicspirit

Ok... another question which must be so close to this one I must be staring it in the face.

I have a piano piece that is entirely in the treble clef but with 2 hands (there's no concern about the split point at all as they don't cross over), but what I need to do is have the top line with the stems going up and the bottom line with them going down. Simple eh...

I've tried following the above steps again for this procedure but playing with the stems feature instead, but no matter which midi channel I have assigned etc it always turns all of the stems either up or down. What am I missing now!

Thanks in advance...

Jan 26, 2009 4:16 PM in response to siderealxxx

hi sidereal ... here's the steps you need:

1 - Open Score Editor>Layout>Staff Styles

2 - Go to the box on the left hand side and with the downward arrow and select a Piano Style

3 - Just above that box (where you see New and Edit) select New and then Duplicate Style

4 - It will say Piano*copied - click on the box and rename that of your choice say "Sidereal Piano"
( the reason you do this is because you might want to keep the original template of that piano style for other uses)

5- Now look along until you see the final column Assign and underneath Chan and Split -assign each channel a different midi channel ( say 1 and 2) and assign the split point as you wish ( it doesnt really matter where this is because you can still shift individual notes up or down just by changing their channel).

6 - At this point, whatever midi notes you have already played in will all be randomly part of one clef. You can use the voice separation tool to draw a squiggly line between the notes, and they will drop down to the bass clef - or as others have recommended select those notes you dont want in the treble and change midi channel - or + 1 by key command

7 - You can play in your piano parts, join all the regions and then in Score Editor assign the whole lot to your custom 'Sidereal Piano' style and follow the above procedure

hope that helps...

music spirit

Jan 26, 2009 11:04 AM in response to Sampleconstruct

Hi SC, I tried that and I've just done it again but its not working for me... it always defaults all of the cut regions back to the last split point I select.

Also there are some bars where I have the same note being played by both the left hand and the right hand and the score needs to reflect this.

I almost need the Sibelius feature where I can manually choose each note and which staff it appears on.

Any other way of doing this? I know in TAB there is a way to choose which string each note is played on, but I don't know how to do that and whether the same thing would work with this.

Any further thoughts appreciated...

Jan 26, 2009 11:27 AM in response to siderealxxx

Did you copy and rename your staff style before applying the split point changes? It works fine here so there is something you're doing wrong. Click on the select region fragment in the score editor, the region gets highlighted in the Arrange, then choose the copied staff style in the Inspector window.
Concerning the doublehanded single note I would just alternate stem up/down in the score for each note, that would make it clear and look alright too.

Jan 26, 2009 1:18 PM in response to CCTM

Thats what I was looking for thanks...

I'm having trouble getting it to work though - I don't understand what it means when it says 'MIDI channels have to be predefined for each of the voices that you want to separate': I can't get the Voice Separation tool to work.

The manual is a bit confusing on these couple of pages... for my brain at least (I am actually one of the few who has read the whole manual - though score & environment are 2 areas I find quite confusing). It's frustrating because I can do this in Sibelius quite easily, but I don't have a copy.

Any pointers...!?!?

Jan 26, 2009 1:46 PM in response to siderealxxx

Hi

Basically it means that you assign the left and right hands to different MIDI channels in the Staff Style editor instead of using a fixed split point (Assign on the far right of the style editor).

For example, left = channel 1, right=channel 2

You can then select the individual notes and change MIDI channels appropriately:

Using the Voice Separation tool

Using Key Commands (Ch +1 etc), or

In the Event List

HTH

CCT

Jan 26, 2009 2:09 PM in response to CCTM

Thanks - I think I see the principle, but I still can't get this to work!

Going back to basics... I have a raw MIDI region with clear parts defined for left and right hand, but in score view they are not presented on the relevant staves. I think I understand how to assign the individual notes to different MIDI channels but what then? How does the Voice Separation Tool come in to it? At what point can the wrong notes be moved on the the right stave? Sorry for being stupid but I'm trying and its not working for me!!!

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