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kshembree Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
I am teaching an 8th grade class and I have created a jeopardy type game using keynote. So i have different categories each followed by 5 different buttons 100-500. When I click on one of those buttons it takes me to the slide with that particular questions. Now i want to know how i can make that 100 or whichever one is chosen disappear when it is clicked on. Instead of in a certain order.

MacBook, Mac OS X (10.5.5)
  • Kyn Drake Level 7 Level 7 (21,515 points)
    Keynote doesn't work this way. In order to make something like this, you'd have to use PowerPoint.
  • Terry Daniels Level 2 Level 2 (355 points)
    Yes, and this is unfortunate. With the addition of the ability to use MathType in iWork '09, I now only have use for Office when playing Jeopardy with my students.
  • rpfullerton Level 1 Level 1 (0 points)
    Unfortunately I have the same problem. I teach at a school and use Keynote for a number of my classes. For review we use Jeopardy because if is fun and they are able to showcase their knowledge.

    Not only do I have this problem but for me I cannot click on a hyperlink during the presenter view, the hyperlinks do not change colors to denote that it has been used, and there is no way to make a cell of a table be a hyperlink.

    I have tried numerous things to get around these problems but for some reason I just cant. It is unfortunate that Apple has not worked these out. I would love to use Keynote permanently for my presentations but cannot until I have these options.
  • Kyn Drake Level 7 Level 7 (21,515 points)
    Welcome to the discussions, rpfullerton.

    If you need to create a "jeopardy" kind of presentation, unfortunately, Keynote isn't an option.
  • jwl3v Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
    Actually, I think one could construct a quasi-jeopardy set of slides. Using a table, one would need to (a) create a slide for each possible combination of covered-uncovered windows, (b) put hyperlinks for each possible choice that the player could select from each of the different slides showing the combos of cov-uncov windows, and (c) add a simple transition that would only alter the features of the cell selected by the player (I think 'wipe' would work). In their covered state, each cell would have its value (e.g., $100) and in it's uncovered state, it would have the answer.

    At least, that would provide a pretty ham-fisted way of doing it. There're probably more sophisticated ways.
  • wideEyedPupil Level 2 Level 2 (360 points)
    jwl3v wrote:
    (a) create a slide for each possible combination of covered-uncovered windows,

    Where n is number of questions in each subject, m is number of subjects, S is number of possible answered/unanswered 'states' or slides required,

    S = 2 ^ (n * m)

    eg for 5 questions in each of 4 subjects, S = 2 ^ 20 = 1,048,576 Slides, then there's the hypelinks...

    Would require automated construction, if you could even be bothered for a smaller number of questions, with something like Applescript. Applescript dictionary for Keynote only really covers slideshow playback so script would be either be a nightmare to write or impossible. So, while theoretically possible, as previously stated in other posts, no dice.


    (b) put hyperlinks for each possible choice that the player could select from each of the different slides showing the combos of cov-uncov windows, and (c) add a simple transition that would only alter the features of the cell selected by the player (I think 'wipe' would work). In their covered state, each cell would have its value (e.g., $100) and in it's uncovered state, it would have the answer.


    Where H is number of hyperlinks, n and m same as above equation

    H=2 ^ (n * m) * m (this is an estimate, actual result would be lower. Calculation gets complicated as a subject's questions are 'used up').

    So for previous example of 5 questions in each of 4 subjects,
    H = 2 ^ 20 * 4
    H = 4,194,304
  • wideEyedPupil Level 2 Level 2 (360 points)
    May I suggest anybody who would like to do anything like this in Keynote (to take advantage of KN's transitions etc) forward feedback to Apple asking for a full Applescript properties dictionary in the next KN version and possibly some kind of KN integrated control logic to change an objects 'state' ie properties in a more User Friendly way.

    http://www.apple.com/feedback/keynote.html
  • Kyn Drake Level 7 Level 7 (21,515 points)
    I completed a good looking 5 slide set like this, nice transitions and everything, and then, looking at what I'd done... and how much would have to BE done in order to represent each and every different permutation of covered and uncovered answers, I found that it's probably possible, but you'd want to use some other app to create the slides (as xml, that you place into the package) and even then, Keynote may not be able to keep all of that in memory and playback smoothly.

    Although, I think there's an untapped market for this type of quiz app
  • jwl3v Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
    Hey, wEP, because for any given instance, the number of choices would be limited (as I understand the game), I'm not sure it's quite as many as your calculation yields. One can only select from M or fewer choices at one time, right? Using a simple case to illustrate, suppose a 3-x-2 (topics-by-items) array, your exponential formula would yield 64 slides, right? However, the number is actually small enough that one can list the possibilities:

    Slide 1 (start): A1 or B1 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 2 (given A1 has been played): A2 or B1 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 3 (given B1 has been played): A1 or B2 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 4 (given C1 has been played): A1 or B1 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 5 (given A1 and A2 have been played): B1 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 6 (given B1 and B2 have been played): A1 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 7 (given C1 and C2 have been played): A1 or B1 are possible plays
    Slide 8 (given A1 and B1 have been played): A2 or B2 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 9 (given A1 and C1 have been played): A2 or B1 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 10 (given B1 and C1 have been played): A1 or B2 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 11 (given A1, B1, and C1 have been played): A2 or B2 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 12 (given A1, A2, and B1 have been played): B2 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 13 (given A1, A2, and C1 have been played): B1 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 14 (given A1, B1, and B2 have been played): A2 or C1 are possible plays
    Slide 15 (given B1, B2, and C1 have been played): A1 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 16 (given A1, C1, and C2 have been played): A2 or B1 are possible plays
    Slide 17 (given B1, C1, and C2 have been played): A1 or B2 are possible plays
    Slide 18 (given A1, A2, B1, and C1 have been played): B2 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 18 (given A1, B1, B2, and C1 have been played): A2 or C2 are possible plays
    Slide 10 (given A1, B1, C1, and C2 have been played): A2 or B2 are possible plays
    Slide 21 (given A1, A2, B1, and B2 have been played): C1 is the only possible play
    Slide 22 (given A1, A2, C1, and C2 have been played): B1 is the only possible play
    Slide 23 (given B1, B2, C1, and C2 have been played): A1 is the only possible play
    Slide 24 (given A1, A2, B1, B2, and C1 have been played): C2 is the only possible play
    Slide 25 (given A1, A2, B1, C1, and C2 have been played): B2 is the only possible play
    Slide 26 (given A1, B1, B2, C1, and C2 have been played): A2 is the only possible play

    Whew! Did I miss some?
  • jwl3v Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
    Yes, folks should recommend this to Apple.
  • Kyn Drake Level 7 Level 7 (21,515 points)
    On slide one ALL choices are available. MOST players start at the top an work their way down because they're usually listed from easiest (cheapest) at the top to hardest (worth more) at the bottom. However, a player that's behind AND is an expert at a topic may jump right to the bottom for the more money it provides. It's a risk, but that risk has to be available.
  • jwl3v Level 1 Level 1 (20 points)
    Ahhh. My mistake about the system. Thanks for the explanation.
  • Kyn Drake Level 7 Level 7 (21,515 points)
    BUT, that's an interesting workaround. If you make a rule that everyone has to choose in order, then that does simplify the problem a bit. Still a mite too unwieldy, perhaps, but better than before.
  • wideEyedPupil Level 2 Level 2 (360 points)
    Yes XML parsing is a possible solution I hadn't considered. Not having ever done that, you would what – compose a slide, extract it from the contents, duplicate the page item numerous times and amend them in some kind of automatic process (such as?) then replace the KN XML file – is that it?

    I'm not sure if KN has to hold all slides (and transitions & builds) in Memory (presumably GPU RAM) to work. Sure it saves for pauses, or big-breaths as I call them, but it's not critical from what I can tell. Wondering how we can actually determine when KN is using CPU or GPU with developer tools? It's pretty tricky even for developers from what I gather.
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