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Display flashes to solid black intermittently

I originally posted this in the wrong category for the MacBook Pro instead of the Monitor catagory. I am wondering if anyone else has the same problem. I posted the following last night.

*Still an unknown issue with Apple Tech Support*? After 2 calls to product specialists and apparently an undocumented issue by any customers contacting tech support this seems to be a widespread worldwide issue. In one form or another with no answer after several months of the computer release displays are blinking, flickering and flashing to name a few descriptions of this problem. Mine flashes solid black for a fraction of a second and comes right back on. I have had this issue in the power saving mode as well as the better performance mode so that kills that theory. To this point there has been no pattern that I have been able to detect. I can go for weeks without a blink and all of a sudden get 2 in 5 minutes. Usually I am pretty good at troubleshooting but this problem has no pattern and is so intermittent I think it's going to be a tough one and I truly believe Apple has no clue as of yet so they are not addressing it publicly or to individuals calling in with the problem. I purchased my computer November 29th. I used it for over a month without ever seeing the issue. When the new monitor came out I still did not experience any issues with either display in the area of blinking, flickering or flashing. There is a video on Youtube that I have located showing the exact same issue as mine. Though the person on Youtube has a non-apple display and mine is the new 24" Apple display and it is the exact same issue this rules out the problem being the external display. Well, I can check that off as well. This is the link. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u-dQIgfIFsI Does anyone else have the exact same issue as mine? I am thinking maybe it is something in the 10.5.6 update. Who Knows?

*BTW this problem is not at all heat related.* It can happen during heavy use or very light use at low temps. I have purchased many newly released Apple Computers over the years and have actually had great luck with them. I hope this is not my first lemon.

MacBook Pro (late 2008) 2.53GHz, Mac OS X (10.5.6), Apple LED Cinema Display (24" flat panel)

Posted on Feb 10, 2009 11:35 PM

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Oct 2, 2009 9:00 PM in response to Richhep

Same prob here; running on a MBA, 3rd Gen/Rev C. Experience seems consistant w/ most others here. Flicker to black for half a second. I may not have it as frequent as some. Indeed, it seems to decline after getting warmed up (perhaps several flickers in first half hour; zero thereafter?). Also, seemingly related, is a "jiggle" or "flicker" particularly in the bottom fifth or so of the screen.

Sigh. Will look for more patterns and report back. I sure like the screen other than that.

Oct 2, 2009 10:04 PM in response to Richhep

My display is back in the shop for the third time. They have replaced the LED panel, not the LCD, and now they are going to replace cables and maybe a power supply. In a way I feel bad for Apple...I don't think they know what the problem is yet. It's obvious that it is fairly widespread. So far Apple is showing good faith and a good attitude in trying to fix the problem. I'm not sure exchanging the monitor will fix the problem. For all I know this could affect all Apple LED Cinema Monitors. So the best solution would be for Apple to nail down what the problem is, replace the faulty part in the monitors that have already been purchased and make the modification to new monitors being built. I don't want to give up this monitor...it is beautiful with a wonderful, clear display. Again....I wish Apple the best in sorting all this out.

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Oct 5, 2009 11:33 AM in response to woofer2425

Disappointed by this. I rec'vd call from nathan vanderbyl (product specialist) and he left a message indicating that he escallated the problem to engineer Paul Singleton. Singleton responded to Nathan saying this "was NOT a known issue". (did engineering not read all six pages of people writing in with this problem???) Apple engineer is supposing that my individual macbook air has a bad video connector. Rubbish. This problem with the 24" display is impacting users with macbook air, macbook pro and mac pros. I'm now on the phone with Applecare to give it one more shot to get engineering to recognize all that's been posted in this community. HOLY COW this is frustrating !!!!!

Oct 5, 2009 12:21 PM in response to Mike in Columbus

That is total BS! I (and many others) have submitted bug reports on Apple's web site with this issue months ago. They absolutely monitor those submissions and can't tell us that they were not aware of any issue. I can see how they may not monitor user forums as closely, but every single bug report submission is supposed to be reviewed and escalated if appropriate. Sounds like some engineer just tested one in the Apple Labs, didn't have the problem and then marked it as void.

By the way, I posted several comments in this discussion awhile back with the flickering problem on my 24" iMac connected to the 24" Apple Cinema Display (ACD), and had the problem since the first day I got the ACD which lasted for over a month until I upgraded to 10.6. For some reason I have NOT had the problem since. Go figure. I had the 1 second blackouts several times during each working session, but have not seen the problem since upgrading to 10.6...maybe just a coincidence, as others here have stated they are on Snow Leopard and still have the problem.

With that said, the only other variable that I can think of is that about the same time I upgraded to 10.6, my USB powered hub stopped working as no devices connected to it would work. So I replugged in my critical devices directly into the iMac's USB ports on the back of the computer, and just lived without the other devices for the time being, which includes the ACD's USB connector cable.

Now realizing this, I'll connect the ACD's USB cable to the iMac USB port and test it for awhile and report back if the problem returns. Aside from the various Apple Software updates for 10.6 and my iMac, nothing else has changed.

There just doesn't seem to be an easy "common denominator" to nail this down, so Apple definitely has their work cut out for them. Just wish they would have started working on the problem at the beginning of the year when people have made this an issue!

Other peripherals I have connected:

Wacom USB tablet (I do not use a mouse)
Full size Apple USB keyboard
External 1TB USB hard drive (for time machine)
Canon USB inkjet printer

Oct 5, 2009 12:56 PM in response to janericster

You might be on to something. when I originally posted I told the sad story how my G5 Power Mac failed and Apple recommended not to try to fix it. So I ordered my new Mac Pro which was BTO, but the 24 inch monitor came in a couple of days and I connected it to my 15" MacBook Pro while I was waiting. I set it up without the USB 2.0 hub I was using on the old setup. There was no flickering or 1 second drop outs the monitor worked perfectly.

When the new MacPro showed up and I put the USB hub back into the setup the dropouts started. I am interested to hear if your testing brings the problem back.

As to the other new postings, since I installed Snow Leopard, the frequency of these one second outages has decreased a lot. Also when I first saw the problem and before I first called AppleCare I found an old support article from the release of the Cinema displays with the exact same described problem which was eventually fixed with a firmware update. AppleCare acknowledged that, but said there was no trail of the problem in the tracking system with the new displays and there was no noted firmware updates.

Steve

Oct 5, 2009 1:16 PM in response to Steve Morris

So Steve, just so I understand what you're suggesting. You're thinking that by having devices plugged into the 3-port USB hub located in the lower right/rear of the ACD this could possibly be causing the "flicker to black" screen problem on the display itself? I do in fact use all 3 of these USB ports myself (because I have the macbook air which has only 1 port and is used by obviously having the ACD connected). Plugged into my ACD's rear USB hub/port are: ext. HDD for Time Machine, MBA superdrive & external wired apple keyboard.

Oct 5, 2009 3:14 PM in response to Mike in Columbus

Apple product specialist (nathan) called me back with information from their engineers. He said the fix is to reduce the display brightness 1 level if the setting is at maximum brightness. My display has been set to maximum brightness so I've dropped it down 2 or 3 clicks to the left.

I'll update this message board and advise Nathan at Apple if (or if not) this simple setting change fixes the intermittent black screen syndrome. fingers are crossed.

Oct 5, 2009 3:17 PM in response to a.rudders

Black flashing screen due to NVIDEA 9400 overheating. This is a problem with all machines with this video card.

Check this link: http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1049670/nvidia-heat-causing-macbooks-to -fail

My macbook has the same problem unless I unplug the power supply.
I guess that the 9400 is for running without a powersupply only then.

Running my baby in the 9600 video mode, it runs fine, also in bootcamp in PC which only uses the 9600.
So it has to do with the 9400 Nvidea card, replacing the led screen will not help. I have been to more then 10 macshops and they all did not know the problem. All they asked me is to make a video of the problem.
The only resolution is replacing the 9400 NVIDEA card with a new one

Oct 5, 2009 5:34 PM in response to Mike in Columbus

Yes I'm suggesting something like that. That was the difference with my setup. But I've noticed some other comments too:
First of all the more recent posts that say turn the brightness down, isn't going to work for everyone, I'm only on the 4th bar from the left, no where near max brightness so it's not my solution.

Secondly there are a few of us that have this problem NOT on a MBP in my case it's a MacPro, so I'm not buying the 9400 overheating solution yet. I also would point out that when mine goes black it's not simply the loss of video from the card, my backlights go out. Just like when Energy sayer cuts the screen off.

Finally if I connect my MBP to the monitor it's fine. The only difference in my setup has been the USB connections.

Steve

Oct 6, 2009 7:09 AM in response to janericster

Well it's Tuesday morning and UNFORTUNATELY the intermittent black screen is back and popping up again. Obviously the simple adjustment of reducing the brightness didn't work. (and I note the others who also have had their screen's brightness well below max and also having the black screen too)

I'll ge word to Nathan at AppleCare to advise him of results.

Oct 6, 2009 7:18 AM in response to Richhep

Checking back in on this after a month ... I had the monitor replaced and things have been much better. (It's connected to a 3.06ghz 24" iMac for a dual-display setup, so I'm ruling out explanations that link the problem to macbooks.) I now strongly suspect that this is some sort of power supply issue. The one time I noticed a reproducible black-flash was when someone down the corridor turned on a large vacuum cleaner. The monitor and imac are on a simple surge protector, but not any kind of facy power regulator. In any event, the drain on the circuit from the big vacuum seemed to cause the screen to go blank, FWIW. The iMac was unaffected.

Oct 6, 2009 7:29 AM in response to kjhealy

{quote:title=kjhealy wrote:someone down the corridor turned on a large vacuum cleaner}{quote}


I reported this problem a month ago and, lucky me, I did not have any interferences or blackouts since that evening (I only watch TV on that monitor). But on that day I remember that I heard that someone was working with an heavy machine, somewhat like an electric saw or so in the neighbourhood, when the interferences occured.

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